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   pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 08:58:38 JST pry

   I'm actually so blackpilled on anything cybersecurity related. good practices are a nice thing to have but if we don't fundamentally change how we program computers, nothing's gonna change.

   I really do think formal verification needs to be more encouraged. also ofc it's difficult to push for greatly decreasing attack surface of so many systems be so many nation states have a vested interest in keeping them open for surveillance

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 08:58:31 JST Fish of Rage

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     @scathach @pry sel4+genode exists but nobody cares, this is a capitalism problem. Good solution costs more so fuck it.
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     fiat volvntas tva (scathach@stereophonic.space)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 08:58:32 JST fiat volvntas tva

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     @pry I definitely think it's possible to make provably secure systems, but there's so much momentum from legacy infrastructure that I don't think we'll make the switch anytime soon
     
     Oh well, maybe in the 2100s
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     pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 08:58:34 JST pry

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     @scathach yea and it isn't to say that I dislike all things cybersecurity. I just hate marketing and shit around it. I think we literally don't have proper tools to make secure systems yet. and I also think most programmers would have trouble w these more proper tools

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     fiat volvntas tva (scathach@stereophonic.space)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 08:58:36 JST fiat volvntas tva

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     @pry Yeah cybersecurity is a cargo cult
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 08:59:52 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Fish of Rage
     @scathach @pry even sel4 userland is all in C, can’t even get a safe language on a formally verified base
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     fiat volvntas tva (scathach@stereophonic.space)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:02:40 JST fiat volvntas tva

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     @sun @pry I want to live in a world where formal verification is as easy as satisfying the compiler's type checker
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:06:24 JST Fish of Rage

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     • fiat volvntas tva
     @scathach @pry I don’t know what’s better but in a free market where you can’t be informed about important elements they just get lost
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     pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 09:12:36 JST pry

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     @scathach @sun one of my research interests is in making formal verification easier... ig I'm more specifically interested in distributed systems but the single machine case is also extremely hard rn. Dafny is a cool language but it's pretty hard to use for most.

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