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   iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 06:24:04 JST iced depresso
   listening to an audiobook that had a weird take
   
   if you want to combat fascism: get your children out of public school. the design of public school is a deeply authoritarian combination of prussian soldier brainwashing and greek slave management
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 06:32:56 JST iced depresso

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     @hazlin malcolm had a quote about only an idiot lets people who hate you raise your children but i couldn't find it
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     Phantom Palladium (hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 06:32:58 JST Phantom Palladium

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     @icedquinn The only way farm ownership went from nearly 100% individuals to nearly 100% corporations in 100 years, could have only happened with a public school paradigm.
     
     Literally, generations of people let strangers raise their children, and those strangers discontented those children with the inheritance so much, they gave it up.
     
     I can only look at this sad history and think "land literally produces wealth, if everyone had their own land, everyone would be producing wealth"
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 06:34:24 JST iced depresso

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     @gabriel providing the necessary resources (library, teachers) and time, then letting boredom and self interest take its course.
     
     most of the unschooling literature is about trying to cultivate people's intrinsic desire to learn to do cool shit vs. being psychologically destroyed by scientific management
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     Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 06:34:25 JST Gabe

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     Not sure why that's a weird take.
     I'd say it's a perfectly reasonable point on many of the failings. The counter argument is that an educated public is itself a public good.
     How do you promote education without centralization?

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:16:07 JST iced depresso

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel homeschoolers pretty regularly wipe the floor with public schulers in standardized tests :neocat_woozy:
     
     some of it has to do with schools are basically child prisons where you are forced to do things you do not care about, at a time you want to do something else, without any context, and then sent home with busywork (even though documentation has said homework is bad since 200 something years)
     
     problem with some of that is i might be bored of multiplication tables and want to move on to trigonometry. maybe i'm ready for that, or maybe i get humbled and have to step back down to an easier subject (but now i'm doing so with the context of what i'm looking forward to), but public schooling doesn't really support that.
     
     every step is about making sure you are crushed and easily managed.
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:16:08 JST Hyolobrika

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     @icedquinn @gabriel My mum thinks I learned more at school than they could ever teach me at home.
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:16:09 JST Hyolobrika

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     @icedquinn @gabriel I was homeschooled during most of primary school age and one of the parents at the "home-ed group" we went to had a saying: "school kills the love of learning".
     Not sure if it was right tbh. I still loved learning when I went to school later although it was pretty depressing.
     The only way of telling would be to take a bunch of kids who went to school and a bunch of kids who didn't, try to keep all other variables equal, and then compare them.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:19:57 JST iced depresso

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     @Hyolobrika @gabriel layabouts are sort of.. not as prevalent of a thing as capitalists seem to insist.
     
     there is a kind of trauma induced on people that if they had to suffer for nice things then so must everyone else. this is the heart of if one person suffers to buy an apple, someone else suffering less (maybe the apple is free?) is an offense. this is the crux of a of anti-welfare rhetoric.
     
     some of the preliminary studies seem to show otherwise. [some] children want to help, but are systematically trained not to. some want to learn, but are systematically confined to a box of busywork and punishment so they can't. then after eighteen years of denial told they are now forced to do all those things that five seconds before their birthday were deemed unsuitable.
     
     there have been some research schools note that when exposed to mixed progress environments, most of them at *some* point will start to pick up a book or enroll in a class. it's not as Scientifically Manageable as the system wants, though.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:46:58 JST iced depresso

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     @susie @Hyolobrika @gabriel homeschool groups tend to have coops. the parents trade off teaching the students. when they get old enough for advanced topics, there are various means.
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     Susanna (susie@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:46:59 JST Susanna

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     @icedquinn @Hyolobrika @gabriel Homeschooling is great, if you can afford hiring help. I was "homeschooled" until I was 8 and I knew how to read and write fluently and how to do multiplication and divination, draw and do basic crafts and stuff like that. Kids learn very fast if they have a teacher who devotes their time to teach them at their optimal pace. At schools the teacher's attention is divided to 30 people (or more if unlucky), which results in the class moving forward with the slowest student's pace. Or at the worst case the students doesn't get the help they need and falls behind.
     
     It's very easy for a patient parent to homeschool their children UNTIL they get old enough to require teaching on complicated matters the parent isn't fluent in (advanced sciences, foreign languages, orientation towards a job in a field the parent has never worked in etc). It is then possible to hire help and continue with exemplary homeschooling, but let's be honest 99% of parents can't afford it.
     
     I firmly do not believe in homework and "study alone at your own time" school system. I did go to Steiner school which is way more classroom and teacher oriented (kids don't get homework and they don't even have books until mid-teens). Steiner school has some issues too, mainly that it is very art focused and... that brings some weird things to the curriculum lol Great for kids, not so for high school students.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:47:32 JST iced depresso

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     @susie @Hyolobrika @gabriel i didn't because i had shitty and neglectful parents but a lot of homeschooled students are actually involved in some social fabric.
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     Phantom Palladium (hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Friday, 09-Aug-2024 07:55:07 JST Phantom Palladium

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     @icedquinn @susie @gabriel @Hyolobrika
     Personally, I had a learning disability... a rather extreme one, so I didn't learn a whole lot while being homeschooled. BUT! My mom would explain, anything and everything, how things worked, and why things worked, and why people did things, etc etc.
     
     And, the result was, I learned how to think with very sound reasoning. And, when I got to college, I discovered almost no one else had been taught to reason on an absolute basis. They were all about memorizing and accepting truth by authority.
     
     The outcome was, the love of a mother homeschooling, though I did not make lots of academic progress, set me up for being able to understand, and master anything. Unlike my public school counter parts.
     
     But, they still excelled at the same classes/jobs/organizations, because even though they didn't understand what they were doing, they were content to play the political games.
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