@DrRyanSkelton "Another way to see that what is bought-and-sold in a mutuum does not exist is to observe that, under the terms of the contract, it is possible for the lender to fail to recover everything he is entitled to recover under the contract. The reason a full recourse lender is sometimes unable to recover what he is owed under the terms of the contract is because what he is owed under the terms of the contract does not exist…"
@sickburnbro@DrRyanSkelton This book explained a lot about usury and interest on a loan. Basically boils it down to "if there are only two pieces of silver in the world and I lend them to you with interest, it is physically impossible to pay that back because you're asking for more in return than was in existence before the loan was given" , or something like that.
@matty@DrRyanSkelton@anonmoose90 well you see uh, unless you are trying to short more stock than ACTUALLY exists, it CAN be made to work .. ( rationalization wheel spinning )
@sapphire@matty@DrRyanSkelton@anonmoose90 but to the point of "how do you sell something that doesn't exist" - plants and animals are the classic example. "I'll pay you X for the first breeding of your superior horse"