AnarchoNinaWrites
Let me see if I can help here because I do speak a little cracker:
The problem is not that you're somehow wrong that "nazi instances exist and nazis create new ones all the time," the problem is that you didn't have to respond at all and certainly not in a smug-ass way that directly implies it's Black people's FAULT their replies are getting carpet bombed by internet nazis posting racial slurs. You're prioritizing your feels about fedi, over their need to share their lived experience re: racism
AnarchoNinaWrites
Furthermore, you need to understand that your intentions here don't matter, and marginalized people cannot realistically know what's in your heart. Whether you mean to or not, you're replicating a longstanding pattern of comfortable nimby racism that posits the problem is speaking and being angry about racism, because racism itself exists as a sort of constant. This attitude ultimately punishes folks victimized by racism, while providing a cover of silence for racists to operate. This is history
AnarchoNinaWrites
It may indeed be that how fedi works *now* is that there's nothing anyone can do but play whack-a-mole with internet nazi servers one at a time after incidents like the one in question here. But should it be that way forever? Why do you and you alone get to decide that? Maybe if enough people point out that what we have now isn't working for them, folks can come together and change how we deal with this problem? But that's not even on the table so long as you're harassing ppl for speaking out.
AnarchoNinaWrites
I myself have sat in on several discussions that point out that the REASON we have an ad hoc, community based approach to addressing racism and servers created for the purposes of doing racism, pretty much comes down to the very poor moderation tools available to work with. Maybe talking about how they don't work at solving the problem, is part of how we get someplace better? How do you know? You certainly won't ever find out telling folks attacked by racists that it's their fault.
AnarchoNinaWrites
You're not going to admit it, but you know I'm not wrong when I say the reason we're here is that you felt attacked by criticism about fedi, and you responded in an all too predictable, extremely privileged way that essentially says "it works fine for me, it's your fault you got hurt because you're doing it wrong."
Even if you're right, and I'm not sure you are, there was nothing noble or helpful about the way you responded. Staying in your lane was totally an option here. You chose wrong.
Jim Vanderveen
@AnarchoNinaWrites I don't disagree with you. But imho a community-based approach is good & neccessary to combat racism. AND as you say, we should have better moderation tools.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@jimv I mean part of the problem is the entire protocol (am I using that word correctly) essentially posits there might be a reason you WANT to federate with nazi servers in the first place; in fact, that's essentially the default. Every new person who signs up a server is sort of automatically in a swimming pool with say "Poast"
Maybe someone should find a way to nuke those places from orbit, so we can stop coming back here. I'm not AGAINST community moderation. But it's a thin line of defense
Jim Vanderveen
@AnarchoNinaWrites Ah! I think I misunderstood you, my apologies!
I was thinking about *local* (face-to-face) "communities", rather than online.
Oggie
@AnarchoNinaWrites
I know you hate bsky, with some reason, but rahaeli on there is a former person who did/does moderation for Livejournal, and runs her own system (Dreamhost) based on a lot of similar things, and she has a lot of times written out fairly long things on just how rough moderation is (esp moderation at scale).
We (mastodon/fed/etc) are clearly failing- we're driving off black people in droves. We're failing to shut out nazis. Wackamole for now, and trying to figure out....
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