Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:38:51 JST Sick Sun
   I am older and doing well so I am going to try harder to not be critical of young people that can't even get job callbacks.
   • 受不了包 likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:42:24 JST anime graf mays ?️?

     in reply to
     @sun it's impossible to get call backs here for literally anything. if any job is posted, even like exec positions they get literally thousands of indian applicants like turning on a light and watching all the cockroaches scatter they're on those job listings as soon as they're posted. every single store here has a sign on the doors "WE'RE NOT HIRING" its fucking disgusting
     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:42:24 JST anime graf mays ?️?

     in reply to

     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @sun mid 30s early 40s men working at mcdonalds and tim hortons, historically a teenagers first job. full of people who dont belong here
     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     Surströmming (selfhost arc) (xian@ak.kazuma.family)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:44:49 JST Surströmming (selfhost arc)

     in reply to
     @sun present day job market is a joke :apensive:
     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:50:06 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @graf they should throw bricks through their home windows
   • Embed this notice
     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:50:07 JST anime graf mays ?️?

     in reply to

     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @sun apparently r/CanadaHousing2 is putting up billboards to shame politicians. kinda funny but also really reddit
   • Embed this notice
     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:53:59 JST anime graf mays ?️?

     in reply to
     @sun somebody from that subreddit/youtube traveled to where he's vacationing right now and confronted him on the beach lol youchu.be/watch?v=Pdpr-2lvd64
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 20:53:59 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @graf I will be enraged if I watch this
   • Embed this notice
     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 21:39:46 JST 受不了包

     in reply to

     @sun@shitposter.world i was talking to a phd student doing ml and python that couldn't get a coding job yesterday

     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 21:59:03 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • sleepingnevi
     @sleepingnevi That sucks. Yeah companies have a lot of choices right now so they are going to discriminate heavily against people with an arrest record :-(
   • Embed this notice
     sleepingnevi (sleepingnevi@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 21:59:04 JST sleepingnevi

     in reply to
     @sun the reason im not getting callbacks is because im not a perfect specimen of good choices. i dont ask for much, just enough to reasonably live in a 1 bedroom apartment that isn't low income housing ($20/hr). and i have to tell recruiters over and over and over again that im perfectly willing to work odd hours and relocate on my own dime. im convinced the only reason im not getting hired is because i did dumb things when i was a teenager so i have an arrest record and documented mental illness
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 22:02:01 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • practically without merit
     @pwm honestly it was not easy when I was younger, but it is definitely worse now.
     
     University was already too expensive and halfway through my university is when it became unaffordable. People were still expected to do free work in an internship. The tech market crashed when I graduated.
     
     Still better than now.
   • Embed this notice
     practically without merit (pwm@gh0st.live)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 22:02:02 JST practically without merit

     in reply to
     @sun I know people your age and yeah, the world as you guys knew it doesn't exist. Which is so strange a thing to happen to someone that I don't fault anyone for not getting it.
     
     Imo you guys were the last to get a real education, and have real job prospects based on choice, merit, and drive.
     
     After that the ladder got pulled up and if you weren't born into upper middle class (enough to have parents pay for your multiple degrees) then you can pound sand and hope 13/hr at mcdicks covers your expenses (it doesn't).
   • Embed this notice
     ruin (a7@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 22:07:06 JST ruin

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     @bonifartius @shibao @sun pretending to be competent in both is a dime a dozen nowadays, but being competent in both not really
     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 22:07:07 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

     in reply to

     • 受不了包

     @shibao @sun aren't ML & python people a dime a dozen now?

   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 22:07:57 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin
     @a7 @shibao @bonifartius I believe that people getting jobs right now are getting them through referrals rather than open job listings.
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 22:44:29 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • practically without merit
     @pwm I was born in late 1970s.
   • Embed this notice
     practically without merit (pwm@gh0st.live)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 22:44:30 JST practically without merit

     in reply to
     @sun yeah no I don't mean it was impossible to be a loser, and maybe you didn't even have to try to be one, either. It's just that more and more people are basically doomed (or stuck following the path of least resistance) to be permanent wageslaves/serfs. You are given the choice to struggle forever until an inevitable medical something or other in your fifties forces you to get government aid or you swallow the poison pill early and welfare queen it up until you die.
     
     Neither option is enviable, but it is vastly more common than it used to be, and many subject to it are better humans that that, left there to rot by people they will never know, who care for them not.
     
     I think I overestimated your age. I consider born in or around 1970 to have been about the cutoff for "normal" being a standard potential outcome for the average person. Someone mid career by the time markets crashed.
   • Embed this notice
     Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 23:17:12 JST Pete Zaitcev

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • Pete Zaitcev
     • ruin
     @sun @a7 @bonifartius @shibao
     
     One correction - I was rejected by Sun Microsistems and Transmeta pre-interview. Both of them did it multiple times. Sun sent me 2 postcards, which unfortunately I didn't preserve. Or it would be a funny shitpost. That was between 35 and 25 years ago, so hardly relevant.
     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 23:17:13 JST Pete Zaitcev

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin
     @sun @a7 @bonifartius @shibao
     
     It was a "yes but also no" for me.
     
     I have never in my career was able to find a job by applying to positions. Although contrary to the common opinion, my CV never was rejected by filters. In just the last 5 years, I applied 5 times - about one job per year. Every time, I was rejected after interviews with the hiring panel.
     
     So, looking back, I was only ever able to get a job through I had connections. For example, Alan Cox recommended me for Red Hat (some may still remember him, he's even on Fediverse).
     
     My latest job change was through a recruiter. It's completely cold and I didn't know anyone at all.
   • Embed this notice
     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 23:38:27 JST 受不了包

     in reply to

     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin

     @bonifartius@qoto.org @a7@annihilation.social @sun@shitposter.world this person was doing a phd in mech e, so it was like python and ML for controls, but then she said she was rejected from a controls job because she didn't have enough experience in C++. like hire a programmer like me to do the C++ stuff then, the controls part is the harder part. i don't get this current job market, I feel like people are just making excuses not to hire and all the current offers on the market are known to be bad ("yeah it's in office every day because the boss is kind of an asshole and he needs to manage everyone irl every day. anyways, we can't find any more devs in the area", true story)

   • Embed this notice
     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 23:38:31 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • ruin

     @a7 @shibao @sun competent in ML is questionable as skill at best if not on the edge of research, everything else is pretty much consumption of premade models using premade software. "$language" isn't really a selling point except for legacy maintenance. don't know about the guy in question though, maybe he's really got a unique skillset but it's too fringe in this area.

     i agree that the area is full of incompetent people who are good at faking competence. most people i met love ultra complex framework systems and can't think without them.

   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 23:39:12 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin
     @shibao @bonifartius @a7 companies are in fact making fake job listings so they look like they're doing okay.
   • Embed this notice
     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 23:59:46 JST 受不了包

     in reply to

     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin

     @bonifartius@qoto.org @sun@shitposter.world @a7@annihilation.social i have the feeling that most people just want "senior" but since they don't really know what's senior they basically just filter for people hyperspecialized on their specific stack which leaves a lot of people underemployed. idk how to fix this, i've been looking for anything interesting for months and haven't found anything, this might be because i'm a zoomer that is an acquaintance to a lot of people in the tech scene here but i don't really have as strong relationships with people in there or something idk

   • Embed this notice
     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 23:59:48 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • ruin

     @shibao @sun @a7 oh, if she's mech e it might be that she really is outcompeted by dime a dozen ML and python people who are just cheaper? i'd say it's relatively easy and cheap to find someone who sorta can do ML, python and C++ (on paper ;)

   • Embed this notice
     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:02:05 JST 受不了包

     in reply to

     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin

     @a7@annihilation.social @bonifartius@qoto.org @sun@shitposter.world unironically trump's tariffs could go a long way to helping domestic manufacturing and tech actually have a chance, but it might not help the everyone piled into tech problem

   • Embed this notice
     ruin (a7@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:02:06 JST ruin

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     @shibao @bonifartius @sun entry level 10+ years experience! I honestly think its an importation scheme by indian managers family members (sorry to be slightly racist) and as sun said to make it look like the company is doing well.
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:05:58 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin
     @a7 @shibao @bonifartius Indians on Reddit admit to family and caste nepotism, if they say it I believe it. There's also the class action lawsuits in places like Intel and Broadcom. I wouldn't blame them if there wasn't a double standard lol
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:07:37 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin
     @a7 @shibao @bonifartius yeah exactly.
   • Embed this notice
     ruin (a7@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:07:39 JST ruin

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     @sun @shibao @bonifartius i dont blame them really, if i was an indian that got into america and got into management i would do what i could to help out my family members as well
   • Embed this notice
     Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:11:54 JST Pete Zaitcev

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     @bonifartius @shibao @sun Wife of my dojo sensei retired as a middle school teacher, went to a ML+Python bootcamp, got a job as a "data engineer". All that about a year ago. Like, literally. No personal connections with the company. She started out on a poverty wage of about $45k but they promise $90k after the probation period. Oh and she's in her 50s, disabled in a wheelchair.
     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:31:07 JST 受不了包

     in reply to

     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • Pete Zaitcev
     • ruin

     @zaitcev@shitposter.world @bonifartius@qoto.org @sun@shitposter.world @a7@annihilation.social bash scripting would be fun, i wonder if they would be open to using https://amber-lang.com/ too lmfao

   • Embed this notice
     Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:31:08 JST Pete Zaitcev

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
     • ruin
     @shibao @bonifartius @sun @a7
     
     I get recruiter emails every day. The latest one was "Come do bash scripting for us. We pay $90/hr and it's a contract position for 8 months." I was getting $160/hr back in 1999 hacking on FiberChannel drivers for Solaris kernel. I suspect the biggest problem is that wages went way down, while people have a hard time downgrading their standard of living.
   • Embed this notice
     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:37:55 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • Pete Zaitcev
     • ruin

     @shibao @sun @zaitcev @a7 if someone complains tell them it's what shell scripting is doing all the time anyway :blobcatsmug:

     受不了包 likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 00:37:56 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

     in reply to

     • 受不了包
     • Pete Zaitcev
     • ruin

     @shibao @sun @zaitcev @a7 big brain move would be to just use whatever language you like and calling that from a wrapper shell script :P

   • Embed this notice
     regalbeagle@merovingian.club's status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 01:21:18 JST RegalBeagle

     in reply to

     @sun It's super-annoying how many 'jobs' are completely fake and posted just so companies can appear that they're hiring to inflate stock prices. Shit's faker and gayer than 2 male mannequins 69ing

     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 01:21:22 JST Sick Sun

     in reply to

     • RegalBeagle
     @RegalBeagle nice metaphor
   • Embed this notice
     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 03:10:46 JST Bricky

     in reply to
     @sun wtf unfollowed
     Sick Sun likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     тняэдт™ (threat@ryona.agency)'s status on Friday, 26-Jul-2024 03:47:05 JST тняэдт™

     in reply to

     • Dad
     • practically without merit
     @pwm @sun @noyoushutthefuckupdad
     
     > I know people your age and yeah, the world as you guys knew it doesn't exist. Which is so strange a thing to happen to someone that I don't fault anyone for not getting it.
     
     i'm also of sun/dad's age(ish). it's been over for ~10 years. the only way i can persist is by keeping a network. recruiters are shit. crying-ceos are shit. culture-hires are shit. linkedin posts are shit. it's no wonder gen(sub-30) is having problems. i think the trick is to learn how to hack the system. want to find a job? don't bother applying. slide into the hiring manager's dms and say ohai! no experience? go make something (anything) and use it as a portfolio or example. there are still hiring managers out there that hire based on balls and grit.
     
     > Imo you guys were the last to get a real education, and have real job prospects based on choice, merit, and drive.
     
     i bounced from a full-ride in the early 90s. university wasn't going to teach me much of what i felt was important, thus i went the big brain route and fell on my face more times than i can count. i have the scars to prove it. in the end, i couldn't be fucked to learn bleeding-edge computer science or anything else from professor stanley (i made him up for effect btw)
     
     i have seen several corpos hire based on age, location, and other things i won't regurgitate. meanwhile some old-goats or even truly smart younger people with strong potential are falling back to mcd's or worse.
     
     > After that the ladder got pulled up and if you weren't born into upper middle class (enough to have parents pay for your multiple degrees) then you can pound sand and hope 13/hr at mcdicks covers your expenses (it doesn't).
     
     i had to do that sort of thing when contracts ran dry when i was ill. worked at two restaurants by night, by day handled clients. whatever fills the ricebowl as they say.
     
     the only problem i have with those younger in their "career journey" (wtf that means) is many of them often think jobs fall out of the sky, or they aren't willing to get on their hands and knees to scrub the floors omitting the fact that the last ceo started plunking turds out of the pot too.
     Sick Sun likes this.