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    Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:16:18 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell

    Sigh. My thoughts on priorities now:

    1. Unifying the front against fascism.
    2. Unifying the front against fascism.
    3. Unifying the front against fascism.
    4. All hands on deck countering voter suppression & disenfranchisement.
    5. All legal hands on deck when the election goes to corrupted and partisan judicial system.
    6. Wait, did we do •everything• possible for 4 and 5?
    7. No, really, there’s more
    …
    73. Who is the perfect candidate?
    74. Who is the perfect VP pick?

    In conversation about 10 months ago from hachyderm.io permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:17:59 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      Why are 73 and 74 so low?

      Every credible poll I’ve seen suggests that different possible Democratic nominees fairly about the same as Biden, more or less within margin of error.

      This was going to be a tough fight with Biden. It’s going to be a tough fight now. This game was never about candidate choice.

      Eyes on the ball, people.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:23:42 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      With the caveat above, a couple of passing thoughts:

      (1) I’m still deeply suspicious of where this push to oust Biden came from. The press coverage was driven hard by •something•, and it wasn’t popular sentiment.

      AOC’s theory still makes the most sense to me: this came from donors. The obvious replacement is Harris, and I’d be happy with that, but…odds are good we’re instead going to end up with a substantially less progressive candidate than Biden. Alas. (But see 1-3 in the OP.)

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      mike bayer :python_logo: (zzzeek@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:28:04 JST mike bayer  :python_logo: mike bayer :python_logo:
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      @inthehands 100% from donors who think they're smarter than us, and they read all of what Ezra Klein writes, and they're like, wait we're the billionaires here , we get what WE want. That's how this works so get in line

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:30:59 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      (2) In my view, it was Clinton’s support for the Iraq war that first opened the door for Obama in the first place back in ’07. If she had opposed the Iraq War, she’d probably have been president in ’08.

      It is possible that Biden’s failed handling of the Gaza War similarly opened the door for today; the left didn’t have his back after Gaza. It’s a reach, but it’s possible that support for bad wars undid two Dem presidential hopefuls.

      Grimly satisfying if so…but pyrrhic if fascism wins now.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
      Kit Rhett Aultman, Elledeeay and Tim Chambers repeated this.
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:32:29 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Snarky (he/him/his)

      @snarkyboy
      Yup. See here: https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/112725052119536016

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink

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        Paul Cantrell (@inthehands@hachyderm.io)
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        The genius of this ploy is that a hypothetical candidate is •always• better than a real one. One person gets to picture Bernie, the next person gets to picture…I don’t know, Bloomberg or whatever, and they can both think they agree. It’s so seductive. It even has a grain of truth: yeah, lots about Biden •does• suck; yeah, Iraq really •did• have chemical weapons at one point. That’s why it’s crucial to recognize all this as an aluminum-tubes-style ploy with an agenda, per the OP.
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      Snarky (he/him/his) (snarkyboy@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:32:30 JST Snarky (he/him/his) Snarky (he/him/his)
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      @inthehands Because there IS NO PERFECT CANDIDATE. Every possible candidate has pros and cons, that's how politics work. Plus, the loose coalition that the Dems rely on for support have VASTLY different ideas on what the "perfect" candidate would/should/can be. So the "perfect" candidate for one group is imperfect to another. If Dems insist on finding the "perfect" candidate, they'll just in-fight to the end and hand the Presidency to Trump.

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      crater🐮n (cratermoon@zirk.us)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:39:01 JST crater🐮n crater🐮n
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      @inthehands Johnson, 1968 presidential race. Vietnam.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:39:26 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • crater🐮n

      @cratermoon
      Oh, very good point. Hopefully the outcome is different this time.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:47:36 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • wasabi brain

      @virtualinanity
      Very much agreed with that last sentence. A real tragedy.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      wasabi brain (virtualinanity@toot.community)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:47:38 JST wasabi brain wasabi brain
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      @inthehands him as the candidate was 70% likelihood he would lose. Kamala is probably closer to 60% and some Midwest governor with no real name recognition is probably a toss up at this point. But just no path forward with him losing Michigan and Arizona because of his rightward turns on Gaza and immigration. It’s a pity because before Gaza he was most progressive president in my lifetime

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      Yeshaya Lazarevich (alter_kaker@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:52:45 JST Yeshaya Lazarevich Yeshaya Lazarevich
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      @inthehands
      Pyrrhic is a hell of an understatement

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:53:13 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Yeshaya Lazarevich

      @alter_kaker
      My server has a 500 char limit, but I could have gone on a while

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 03:56:40 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      Whatever happens next — and I fully expect just wave after wave of chaos and bullshit — I’d beg everyone (including myself) this one thing:

      Don’t assume we’ve already lost. Don’t surrender in advance.

      Don’t surrender by wallowing in cynicism. Don’t surrender by despairing. Don’t surrender by yelling impossible ultimatums into the wind.

      The future is not written. We fight. Now. Always. No matter what.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 04:00:39 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Karen
      • Kerri

      @ShortStamp @dotsonapage
      That was number •73• on my priority list above. Please do not neglect numbers 1-7.

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      Karen (shortstamp@stranger.social)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 04:00:40 JST Karen Karen
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      • Kerri

      @dotsonapage @inthehands That's my issue now-who is the best candidate who stands a chance of defeating 45? And I don't have an answer.

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      finsox (finsox@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 04:57:22 JST finsox finsox
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      @inthehands

      I’m fully willing to drink the kool-aid and act super duper excited from now until Election Day, but I am struggling mightily with not believing we’ve already lost.

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 04:57:22 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • finsox

      @finsox
      Struggle harder. We have not. Full stop. There’s no support for that assumption in the data. There’s no support for it in history. You are hearing the voice of anxiety, despair, and fascists. Tune it out, like Meg in A Wrinkle in Time tuning out IT in her mind.

      This is a toss-up, and everything counts. Everything.

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      Josh Ourisman :apple_old_logo: (joshourisman@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 07:04:30 JST Josh Ourisman :apple_old_logo: Josh Ourisman :apple_old_logo:
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      @inthehands we’ve had four presidents who never had a vice president for their entire term of office, and I think two more who had no VP for their first of two terms. 18 total who lacked a VP for at least part of their term(s).

      Picking a VP is definitely not top priority now.

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      dr 🛠️🛰️📡🎧:blobfoxcomputer: (davidr@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 07:48:09 JST dr 🛠️🛰️📡🎧:blobfoxcomputer: dr 🛠️🛰️📡🎧:blobfoxcomputer:
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      @inthehands There is not one voter out there that was thinking "this Biden guy is pretty cool--I wonder who he is running against"

      Every Biden voter will be a Harris voter. The question is, can she change the narrative?

      (The narrative is obvs BS, but it still exists and needs to be changed)

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 10:03:05 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Jordan Kay

      @_Jordan
      It seems to be a popular feeling, for reasons that escape me.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Jordan Kay (_jordan@c.im)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 10:03:06 JST Jordan Kay Jordan Kay
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      • Dan Wineman

      @inthehands @dwineman Why would I assume we’ve already lost

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      Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 10:17:09 JST Paul Cantrell Paul Cantrell
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      • Mechawatts

      @mechawatts These are all good points, and I appreciate any and every dose of well-founded optimism.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Mechawatts (mechawatts@toot.community)'s status on Monday, 22-Jul-2024 10:17:10 JST Mechawatts Mechawatts
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      @inthehands Positives:
      * Harris doesn't have to be President AND campaign.
      * MAGA has already spent money fighting Biden *specifically,* so that's basically wasted now.
      * Harris' pick for VP and whatever drama there is around her nomination at the convention might get enough media attention to get the undecided and Double-Haters out of their malaise.
      * Harris' career as a prosecutor defangs the Right's Law-and-order scaremongering.
      * Harris can speak on healthcare and equality issues with xp

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink

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