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   on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jul-2024 00:15:55 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

   • sofia ☮️🏴
   @sofia seems like the wrong framing to me. natural law is universal and is discovered and not created. different ways of dealing with things should be done via contracts and arbitration, as you say.
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jul-2024 00:41:15 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • sofia ☮️🏴
     @sofia there's still no short cut. there are ways to ground it (the NAP, or even just property rights, or 'this is how god made the world') but this view of the law is much more sensible than legislative law, which mostly isn't law in any real sense but fantasies like copyright.
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     sofia ☮️🏴 (sofia@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jul-2024 00:41:16 JST sofia ☮️🏴

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     @lain seems like natural law would just be morality (as in moral realism). i guess it would help when people were moral realists, so they see disagreements as opportinity for truth-seeking (as opposed to just "winning").

     but saying you practice natural law seems like saying you believe the truth. like sure, you try to, everyone kinda does to some extent. but claiming that you're right doesn't actually help anyone determine if you are.

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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jul-2024 00:44:33 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • sofia ☮️🏴
     @s8n @sofia there are lots of things that people don't agree on. arbitration / judges / contracts are made to find a way to come to an agreement.
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     THOT POLICE (s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jul-2024 00:44:34 JST THOT POLICE

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     • sofia ☮️🏴
     @lain @sofia the NAP doesn't really work because not everyone agrees on what aggression is
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     sofia ☮️🏴 (sofia@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jul-2024 04:47:24 JST sofia ☮️🏴

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     @lain well, any of those things don't relive you from justification. if you try to justify all kind of law with property law, you just have to justify property law much more that would would need to do otherwise. but at least property law has some sense of proportionality, which the NAP seems to be lacking.

     any if course i don't really see what possibly could be justified by what some god wants or did. that seems completely irrelevant.

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