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   Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:05:53 JST Sick Sun
   different guy suggested that the real reason that rock died was that it was cheaper to produce rap.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:06:47 JST iced depresso

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     @sun i wasn't aware that rock was dead.
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:07:47 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @sun it's more expensive to produce rap because of sample clearing tbh

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:07:47 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska was it in 1994?
     
     he did mention that now people just use trap beats
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:11:32 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska it's possible this guy was just a head in ass boomer. I did notice he was doing the "young people are enjoying music wrong" thing
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:11:33 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @sun it was especially moreso then if it used samples at all, that was right when you stopped being able to just lift stuff, also at that time mainstream rock was beginning to suffer from the Eddie vedder effect (sounding like shit) and rap that didn't sound like the sugar Hill gang was as revolutionary as electricity to peoples ears

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:12:56 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska but like for example he showed the setup for a good drums recording session and showed how many drums and how many microphones, basically it takes a ton of equipment just to record drums.
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:14:13 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @sun ngl I have never once heard a sweeping condemnation or criticism or "explanation" for raps popularity that wasn't at least a little racially motivated

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:14:13 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska he kept it under covers but I am super-attenuated toward detecting people trying not to say something specific.
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:16:06 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @sun when I was 19 I produced a local hardcore bands demo with only one mic for the entire kit and they got signed to a major label

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:16:06 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska I think by the end labels weren't spending the money on anybody. I remember the first time I heard System of a Down and their recording sounds like it was done in a hotel bathroom, it fucking sucks.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:17:23 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska Someone explained to me that in creative industries they don't actually want to sign good musicians because good musicians have options and can't be controlled. So they sign people they can mold into a facade of an artist.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:17:54 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska this is an alleged quote from the Diddler, something he said.
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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:38:02 JST John Fediverse

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     @sun It died because it got stale. Even rap isn't in the best shape at the moment.
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     whiteline (whiteline@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:51:37 JST whiteline

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     @icedquinn @sun rock is dead but metal is weirdly thriving
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 11:51:45 JST gentoobro

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     @sun Depending on how you define "rock", there are tons of bands still. They're all on smaller labels, or self-publishing.

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhBoOMWyUqs

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 19:42:12 JST Sick Sun

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     @dushman @vriska rock was a major thing for over half a century and then it quickly disappeared from the mainstream. as mentioned before it was getting stale. you can find good rock music still being made but it is now a tiny fraction of its prior popularity
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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 19:42:14 JST Dushman

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     @vriska@lizards.live @sun@shitposter.world
     Suggesting rock died because of that is fucking stupid either way. Well it never really died anyway, it has evolved into a bunch of subgenres and many of them are going strong to this day. There are many amazing bands active today that make music which falls under it. It's less mainstream but it never died, better that way even since it means it's not corporate and commercialized.

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:35:10 JST Sick Sun

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     @dushman @vriska @mrsaturday I still like rock, please dump some titles/artists for me
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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:35:12 JST Dushman

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     @mrsaturday@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live current stuff coming out is niche and culturally irrelevantYeah and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Serves as a bit of a quality filter too. There are some real bangers being put out by underground artists.

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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:35:13 JST John Fediverse

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     @dushman @sun @vriska You know it's dead (read: current stuff coming out is niche and culturally irrelevant) when people claiming it isn't sound like jazz fans post-1970
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:38:28 JST Sick Sun

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     @dushman @vriska @mrsaturday probably alt rock. not punk, punk actually is completely dead. anything you think is particularly good no matter the kind
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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:38:30 JST Dushman

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     @sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     What kind? Alt rock? Indie? Punk? All of it?

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:40:30 JST Sick Sun

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     @dushman @vriska @mrsaturday take your time, thank you.
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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:40:32 JST Dushman

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     @sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     But yeah sure I'll send some album recommendations in a second

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:41:33 JST Sick Sun

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     @dushman @vriska @mrsaturday my position was that punk died immediately after birth.
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:41:37 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @dushman @sun @mrsaturday and none of them are getting radio play but leftover crack did in 2001

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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:41:37 JST Dushman

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     @vriska@lizards.live @sun@shitposter.world @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     The punk bands that got played on radio were pop punk trash anyway

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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:41:43 JST Dushman

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     @sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @mrsaturday@shitposter.world punk actually is completely deadNah man there are amazing underground punk bands still. I'm a big sucker for crust punk especially and there are modern bands like Nightfeeder that make peak stuff.

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:45:27 JST Sick Sun

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     @creamqueen @dushman @vriska @mrsaturday is there anything more rock n roll than grooming minors, even beatles sung about it
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     cream queen (creamqueen@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:45:28 JST cream queen

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     @vriska @dushman @sun @mrsaturday he's also a groomer
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:45:29 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @dushman @sun @mrsaturday leftover crack is crust adjacent lol aren't you like 21 years old

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:47:54 JST Sick Sun

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     @feld @vriska maybe just the couple songs I heard on the radio were bad but I could viscerally tell how bad the recording was, it didn' sound like anything else on the radio
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:47:55 JST feld

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     @sun @vriska I know all their albums, I think you just heard it in a hotel bathroom lol even their debut in 1998 doesn't sound bad
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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:55:17 JST Dushman

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     @sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     Yea just gonna do something first. I can let you grab my collection on slsk, ftp or whatever. It's like 500gb of mostly flacs from my own and found CD/web rips.

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:55:40 JST Sick Sun

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     @dushman @vriska @mrsaturday ftp would be great, or I can give you a sftp to dump things in
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:59:40 JST Sick Sun

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     @vriska @dushman @mrsaturday people liked it, I think it would still be around, but it was killed.
     
     you guys may be interested to know that the exact same thing happened to television. People liked what was on TV, but TV execs didn't like it so they changed it. They have all the power so they can do that.
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:59:41 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @dushman @sun @mrsaturday the entire point he is making is that up until two radio conglomerates purchased 95% of FM stations the radio played a lot more guitar music

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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:59:45 JST Dushman

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     @vriska@lizards.live @sun@shitposter.world @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     Also punk offshoots like grindcore are still well and alive today

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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 20:59:48 JST Dushman

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     @sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     Yeah give me an sftp to upload to so I don't have to setup a new connection for you on my network. I have this stuff going thru private VPNs and all that on my network.

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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 21:02:53 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @sun @dushman @mrsaturday I just got done watching a documentary last night about how Turner shipped WCW off

     I am agreeing with you btw I just think its funny your point is "this genre does not receive mainstream attention" and everyone's counter argument is "well thats not true they're just really underground and no one knows about them

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     Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 21:03:54 JST Dushman

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     @sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @mrsaturday@shitposter.world
     Gonna upload the well organized portion first which is like half of it and then the rest

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 21:04:07 JST Sick Sun

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     @dushman @vriska @mrsaturday please dm me your ssh public key
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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 10:44:51 JST John Fediverse

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     @sun @vriska I think I ran across the same video and I liked a couple other videos the guy did in the past, but the "get off my lawn" bit was so fucking awful. "Streaming cheapens music" is wrong, it just keeps it from being as homogeneous as it was in the radio days. It's the same as cable, Youtube, and Netflix and their impact on TV viewing habits. 70% of the nation isn't tuning in to watch MASH's finale anymore because there are just too many channels and too many options and people aren't being funneled into 3 sets of shows. I can see how this would make labels much more risk-averse, since if an act is successful, the ceiling is far lower than it would be in the radio or MTV days, so rather than leave things to chance by investing heavily in art that might not even be received well, it's better to go with a safer bet. The fact that he pulled out a Led Zeppelin record to complain says it all, really. The sort of thing he complained about isn't because music is cheaper or the kids aren't respecting music, it's because there's no Led Zeppelin because now the youth are exposed to a cornucopia of options and allowed to pursue them down rabbit holes that record store owners could only dream of in the past. It's a series of niches that people can dabble in to their hearts' content, and I think that actually enriches what music is rather than cheapens it.
     
     Also him constantly bringing up Zeppelin as "music done right" while complaining about how AI plagiarizes is fucking rich.
     
     His discussion of technology taking away the human element from music also isn't anything new. I've heard the same complaint many, many times in regards to the difference between digital art and traditional media. You get a much cleaner result, but the cleanliness quickly turns into sanitizing and it loses something intangible along the way.
     
     It had decent insights as long as he stayed in his lane (the music industry), but once he veered out of it into old man yells at Soundcloud territory, he needed to scrap that part.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 10:44:54 JST Sick Sun

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     @mrsaturday @vriska yes that is the video