goatsarah
Some points, and a question for uk politicians;
And so to the question: why are you so bad at basic arithmetic?
goatsarah
Tinker52
@goatsarah These half a million: are there more details regarding number of a) men-to-women. b) women-to-men. c) those two groups post-surgery. d) simply those who self-identify. e) other categories I have unknowingly missed from the list?
Knowing THESE stats would be SO helpful to the cause of genuine equality.
Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
@katiefenn @goatsarah Judged by how it has spread within the chattering classes of North London (which explains the press/SPADs/ middle class bubble concentration) I think it is spread through inadequately sanitised private dinner parties. It’s something you have to affect belief in to be assured of continued invites. It’s a classic example of a groupthink contagion and the danger lies in the power of the people who get the mind virus.
Katie Fenn
@christineburns @goatsarah Honestly in terms of the general electorate, there’s no votes in anti-trans policies.
If there is political maths being done, it’s all about the influence to be gained among people who are active politically, both within parties and without.
Terfs are over-represented in political parties.
Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
@goatsarah Well, they’re not very good political debaters. It’s a source of constant amazement that most pols haven’t yet formulated the way to deal with the infantile gotchas of the GC-Press-ERG nexus in the way I’m sure the last generation of actual statesmen could. It doesn’t help that they’re so afraid of the mere idea of trans that they have never done the basic homework to blow off the nonsense lies. Instead they look like they’re caught in the headlights.
goatsarah
atomically unstable nat
@goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org I don't like it but my reading is that the TERFs are the swing voters especially in the seats labour wants to go after. I really hope thats the reason
Tinker52
@goatsarah ????Why do the majority of trans people REFER to themselves as ‘trans’ when they haven’t ACTUALLY transitioned? There’s the confusion surely at the heart of the ‘controversy’!
No wonder many people are confused.
Are the bulk of ‘cases’ self-identifications?
goatsarah
goatsarah
@Tinker52 Furthermore, there is no test for being trans. You just know. “Self identification” as you call it is literally the only thing there is. It’s not like Lt Commander Data comes along with a gizmo that scans for transion particles.
Sometimes the stuff cis people come out with boggles my mind a bit. I swear, you lot have some very odd ideas.
goatsarah
@Tinker52 No. it’s an umbrella term but is generally short for transgender.
Are you seriously asking me why I didn’t transition at the age of five? Seriously, maybe just think about that for a few seconds.
Tinker52
@goatsarah Still confused. Why did you use two different definitions of trans in the same message? ‘Trans’ is short for ‘transition’ - yes?
What did you do at 32 that you didn’t do at 5? At both ages you said you were ‘trans’!
goatsarah
Tinker52
@goatsarah I’m trying to ascertain (diplomatically, without referring to feelings of sexuality!) how far ‘sexuality’ plays a part in transgender issues. Male & female roles are largely defined socially in most cultures. Hence the ‘transvestite’ issue being a bit of a smokescreen it seems. The feelings of 5-year olds are (probably) not defined by sexual preferences; yes? So, what is the 5-year old AWARE of which makes them self-identify as ‘trans’?
Tinker52
@goatsarah Right. Sexually???? I doubt!
Socially? What was the giveaway?
Biologically? Again how?
Or are you someone who genuinely contends that males and females think differently?
(N.B. I apologise if you feel I’m interrogating you! I’m genuine about my ‘curiosity’ and happen to believe that all individuals are equals.) The public animosity on the issue is born out of ignorance, I feel.
goatsarah
@Tinker52 The fuck am I supposed to know? I’m an expert in microelectronics, not human sexuality, gender and psychology.
And that’s at the age of 50. At 5 I barely knew my own native language. You seem to expect a lot from toddlers.
Since you seem very interested in sexuality, let me quiz you about yours. Presumably you have a preference with respect to who you fuck?
How do you know?
Tinker52
@goatsarah Your ‘expertise’ is irrelevant; other than the ‘expertise’ of your own experience. That was the question I asked. You’re entitled to refuse to answer of course; it may not be very helpful and, clearly, it has exposed some irritation.
At least you realise now why many people are confused about the issue, knowing that the people involved are confused too. Go well.
Sorry you felt aggrieved.
goatsarah
@Tinker52 I don’t believe I used the word confused.
I wasn’t confused. I knew.
As for how. I just did.
And my point is that that same situation consistently, regardless of demographic, occurs in about 1% of live births.
And when people like Sunak or Starmer portray trans people as dangerous predators who don’t deserve healthcare or equal rights, those roughly half a million people, evenly distributed about the Uk, the majority of voting age, know they’re speaking about us.
Of the other 99%, meanwhile, almost none of them actually care. Studies consistently show this.
Regardless of whatever intrusive questions you ask us about whether we had sexual stirrings as toddlers (seriously, dude?), we still know they’re talking about us.
And we vote.
Tinker52
@goatsarah “I am because I said so!” is not a strong position to be in when confronted by persecution. The processes of your experiences between 5 and 32 are key. If you weren’t ’confused’ fair enough. The confusion belongs to others (99% who knows?) who try to make ‘sense’ of trans people’s situations.
How far trans are hetro, homo, bi or whatever is only of importance to them as individuals. As long as you’re happy then there isn’t a problem! Take care.
goatsarah
Tinker52
@goatsarah “People like me” sounds like an insult.
That’s a great shame, because I’m on the side of individuals. You should have the same rights as everyone else, no more, no less.
As someone who’s woke about so many things, transgender issues is a grey area for me. I have espoused a range of equality causes; the more I know, the more I can relate to individuals. The contradictions around the trans issue remain for most of the 99%.
Why you would be scared of me is baffling!
goatsarah
@Tinker52 You are being weird, intrusive, annoying and patronising, and asking questions which are facile and exhausting.
We learn very early on that society at large does not tolerate who we are, and that it puts us at a profound risk of being systematically medically and psychologically abused if we are found out.
One develops an instinctive warning system for what’s unsafe, and you’re lighting it up like a Christmas tree.
goatsarah
@Tinker52 We can explain it. It’s been explained many times. Research again and again and again concludes that we are, straightforwardly, who we say we are.
And yet people like you never accept it, and demand it’s done time and time again, and that we repeatedly explain ourselves to our.
Who the hell do you think you are?
Tinker52
@goatsarah “Our odd ideas” are a result of a lack of knowledge about what another person feels. The fact that the other person can’t provide the knowledge means we can not relate to their ‘predicament’. It’s no-one’s fault. The 99% are met with a scenario beyond their experience and the 1% can’t explain it.
goatsarah
Just got a reply to this post from a single sure TERF instance.
Should be noted if you’re an instance mod, the best thing to do with these is to defederate without replying. A reply will inflict them on the other servers that you federate with.
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