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   casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 23:48:46 JST casey is remote

   • 💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷

   @Rasp Wait aren't most non-profit hospitals like #Catholic or something?

   > Every day, more than one in seven patients in the U.S. is cared for in a Catholic hospital.

   https://www.chausa.org/about/about/facts-statistics

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     💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷 (rasp@raru.re)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 23:48:44 JST 💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷

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     @realcaseyrollins thats a tiny percentage and TBH healthcare should be free

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 23:52:24 JST casey is remote

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     @Rasp Free healthcare doesn't usually scale well and doesn't work for large, first-world nations. And doctors should be paid for their expertise, so I don't think that healthcare should be free. However, healthcare should be affordable for everyone.

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     💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷 (rasp@raru.re)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 23:52:24 JST 💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷

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     @realcaseyrollins that is hilarious because most of the developed world does it without an issue.

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     💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷 (rasp@raru.re)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jun-2024 00:20:18 JST 💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷

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     @realcaseyrollins thats not a problem with size its a problem with corruption

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jun-2024 00:20:19 JST casey is remote

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     @Rasp As in most countries? Because most countries are generally pretty small.

     I'm talking about countries the size of the #USA, #Canada, #Russia, #China, etc.

     It works really well on a small scale, which is why you see it in smaller countries like those in #Europe. A reasonable case could probably be made to try universal healthcare at a state level since the scale is probably pretty similar for most American states.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jun-2024 14:13:27 JST iced depresso

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     • LisPi
     @lispi314 @realcaseyrollins @Rasp burger healthcare used to be cheap enough it didn't really matter http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jun-2024 14:13:30 JST LisPi

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     @realcaseyrollins @Rasp You realize that Canada and Russia's populations are pretty insignificant in comparison to most of those other "smaller" countries?
     
     Incidentally, /despite/ all the corruption and incompetence, they still both have national healthcare.
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     💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷 (rasp@raru.re)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 15:02:06 JST 💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷

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     • LisPi

     @lispi314 @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins allow people to die because they cant "Afford" care is just fucking atrocious, it is one of the most heinous detestable thing I cant even imagine.

     Like its disgusting and the people who support it are disgusting.

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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 15:02:07 JST LisPi

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     • iced depresso
     @realcaseyrollins @Rasp @icedquinn No, my point is how /easy/ it is to have it if those two fuckup nations manage to have it (actual quality depends on a lot of internal factors).
     
     And no matter how bad it can get, I probably don't need to remind you, it is always better than /literally nothing/ because one cannot afford it.
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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 15:02:08 JST casey is remote

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     • LisPi

     @lispi314 @icedquinn @Rasp So your point is that if only we had free healthcare, we'd have a quality of care on par with... #Canada? #Russia? Are you saying that the healthcare is better in these countries? 🤔

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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 15:02:09 JST LisPi

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn @Rasp @realcaseyrollins Another disaster accomplished to the magic of statism.
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     💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷 (rasp@raru.re)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 21:38:17 JST 💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷

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     • LisPi

     @realcaseyrollins @lispi314 @icedquinn I can do my best but like... there was no room for a good faith argument on this topic because its a solved problem with data backing it. it would be like having a good faith debate as to why 2 + 2 should = 5.

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 21:38:18 JST casey is remote

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     • LisPi

     @Rasp @lispi314 @icedquinn

     > The people who support private healthcare are... without any minced words Pure Fucking Evil.

     Well, okay then. 😂 I suspect that my chance of having a good faith conversation with you about this is quite limited if that is your genuine position.

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     💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷 (rasp@raru.re)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 22:09:27 JST 💜 AdoraBeryl 🩷

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     @realcaseyrollins @volkris I already factored that in and its fine.

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     volkris@qoto.org's status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 22:09:28 JST volkris

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     @Rasp

     The unavoidable problem is that healthcare requires people to work, input from workers, and so anyone stating that healthcare should be free runs into the issue of requiring people to work without compensation.

     It runs into the issue of you’re going to fix me for free. You’re going to work for me for free.

     You see how problematic that is?

     @realcaseyrollins

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     • volkris

     @volkris @Rasp While that's a good point, to be fair that's not necessarily how universal healthcare works in most countries.

     People saying that universal healthcare is free is lying, it costs citizens in taxes. Many if not most places that have universal healthcare have higher taxes as a result.