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   LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 22:56:14 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

   > You don't get rights from men, you get rights from government institutions...

   Wow, I seriously didn't expect Destiny to be THIS RETARDED. Evem a kid should be able to understand the "might makes right".

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 23:08:33 JST NEETzsche

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     "Actually, I get rights from God in the spiritual sense, and I get rights from the fact that I can literally kill you if you try to deny them to me in the material sense."

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 23:08:34 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @BlinkRape
     > Destiny wants to argue for importance of uni educated women in society.

     > Uses software engineers as an example....

     :pepeLulHands:

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     Ethical Pedophile (blinkrape@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 23:08:35 JST Ethical Pedophile

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     @LukeAlmighty he's a fucking commie, even if he won't admit it what do you expect
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 23:08:59 JST NEETzsche

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     Is this now a SWE h8 thread

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 23:10:23 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @NEETzsche
     Well, you know exactly, why I cannot take that argument seriously.

     But at least, you het the 2nd part correctly.

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 23:10:49 JST NEETzsche

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     Yeah being an atheist kind of puts a damper on appeals to divinity, I get it.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Wednesday, 29-May-2024 23:11:01 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @NEETzsche @BlinkRape
     No, you missed the point.

     He used a +95% autistic male field.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 00:26:57 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     • applejack 🇮🇸:hitlergrin2:

     @applejack @NEETzsche
     Normally true, but if we take the god's omnipresence to mean, that Ought is also made by him, then it would work.

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     applejack 🇮🇸:hitlergrin2: (applejack@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 00:26:58 JST applejack 🇮🇸:hitlergrin2:

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     @NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty It does not make a difference. You can't get an ought from an is, even if the "is" is a god

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     applejack 🇮🇸:hitlergrin2: (applejack@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 00:35:37 JST applejack 🇮🇸:hitlergrin2:

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     @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche

     >«God says I have the right not to be bonked on my head!»
     >„But why do I care?“
     >«He is omniprescent!»
     >„Okay“
     >*bonk*

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     :meru_mewwuluv: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 03:15:34 JST :meru_mewwuluv: b e a r d

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     @LukeAlmighty nobody "gets" rights. They only get rights taken away.

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     Loded-Diaper (lodeddiaper@shrine.moe)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 04:07:49 JST Loded-Diaper

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     @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty These don't understand the difference between a positive and negatives right. To them being supported by other's tax money is a right. There idea of rights are dependent on given something from someone.
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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 06:41:54 JST ≠

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     • NEETzsche
     @Mr_NutterButter @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
     
     "There are no atheists in foxholes."
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 06:41:54 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     There are no christians in foxholes

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     Mr.NutterButter (mr_nutterbutter@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 06:41:55 JST Mr.NutterButter

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     @amerika @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche

     Everyone's an atheist until you point a gun at them.

     That's the way I see it.

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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 06:41:56 JST ≠

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     @NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty
     
     I can't imagine being an atheist, but I cannot endorse Abrahamism either.
     
     I can't imagine being a racist, but I cannot endorse diversity either.
     
     We live in a world of paradoxes that are not and non-paradoxes that are.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 11:46:59 JST NEETzsche

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     Lol, well, dunno about that.

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 12:03:07 JST NEETzsche

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     Alright, fair enough

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 16:22:58 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
     The argument of "there are no atheists in foxholes" is just retarded. Yes, people, who are afraid of death pray. Of course they pray, when they KNOW, that they will never again feel the wind. They will never again taste a food. They will NEVER talk to their loved ones and obviously, at that point, you will beg anyone including beings you don't believe in, just to find a way to avoid it.

     But, all of that is rooted in fear of death. Something, that by the same level of pub logic, no christian should be afraid to begin with.

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 16:31:23 JST NEETzsche

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     @LukeAlmighty You should have approached this from the angle of people who faced death without praying and without caving to the pressure. Those people exist. The counterexample is much better than the cope, which is what you sent.
     
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 16:36:16 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
     Nah.
     Fear of death is real. Who would have thought? 🤷♂️ But fear of death is hardly a proof of God.

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 16:40:48 JST NEETzsche

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     @LukeAlmighty Praying isn't proof of God. But it is disproof of the sincerity of one's atheism. Looking at how people act when the chips are on the table for real is a great way to read who they truly are.
     
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 16:42:53 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
     Under that kind of stress, most people are willing to trust in anything. Literally anything, if there is a .001% chance it might save their ass.

     I seriously fail to see, how the fact, that you can break people is some gatcha for you.

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 16:45:41 JST NEETzsche

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     @LukeAlmighty Well if they're willing to try anything, why not try some hail Mary bro science bullshit instead? That sort of thing turns out to be correct more often than people want to admit. From the perspective of an atheist, a real one, that sort of thing should be a go-to when the situation is serious and conventional thought isn't sufficient
     
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 16:47:37 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
     > hail Mary bro science bullshit instead

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     @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche @Mr_NutterButter
     
     I find this convincing. People in desperation fall back on what they see others do.
     
     Belief in God/gods comes from a leap of faith not a leap of fear.
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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:34:56 JST ≠

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     @NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter
     
     I agree here also. An atheist who prays has just revealed a lack of belief in atheism, or at least, a lack of sufficiency in atheism to deal with what he faces.
     
     Then again, is anyone really an atheist? "No proof of God" cuts both ways: you cannot prove God, but you also have no ability to disprove him (no falsifiable thesis).
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:34:56 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     > Then again, is anyone really an atheist?
     Yes. The belief in god is a positive belief.

     I am not saying, that I have a proof that he doesn't exist with 100% certainty. I am atheis BECAUSE I don't have a reason to believe he does.

     But that is different from claiming the oposite as a certainty. Some atheists do that, but I absolutely don't see it as a requirement.

     And I refuse to use the word "agnostic", because at that point, we're getting into a politics levels of pseudo definitions.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:38:41 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     Then your definition is insane :dabormiss:

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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:38:42 JST ≠

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     @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     
     I disagree heartily. Agnosticism accepts that the physical is not going to prove or disprove the metaphysical.
     
     Atheism is a positive believe in the nonexistence of God.
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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:43:25 JST ≠

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     @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     
     My definition is logically consistent and you will hear it frequently among those most successful at studying these issues.
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:43:25 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     Of course, that you can be "successful", when arguing a strawman. But afirst step of an argument is always to talk about the same topic.

     And just as I refuse to accept 69 genders on a fundamental level, I will not give up the label of an atheist just because you decided to make the definition isnane.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:48:35 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/#BeyBin

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     https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:50:06 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     I will ignore for now, that you thought I will be stupid enough to fall for appeal of authority, but please, keep the conversation on some level of dignity.

     This was just pathetic.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 21:53:36 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter @NEETzsche
     But, what is worse is, that you believe, that you can define, what my argument is, before you attack it.

     Not only is it a strawman, but it is a strawmen with a request to accept it from my side.

     I seriously cannot believe you tried something so postmodern.

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 22:00:45 JST NEETzsche

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     An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god. You can break it down by etymology: a(without)theist(god). We can go into Leddit distinctions between different kinds of atheists, like those who positively assert the non-existence of gods vs those who are merely skeptical enough of them to not think they're real given the information they have, but I don't think it's really germane to this conversation, beyond this point:

     The conversation is what does foxhole prayer entail. I don't think it entails the existence of God. I do think it's an indicator that the atheist in question is not very confident in their atheism, that they become pliant to theism in dire circumstance. It's a statement on the personality and views of the person foxhole praying. It's not a statement on external, objective reality. Quite a few believers lose their faith given hardship or the fear of imminent death. This is a two way street.

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     @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter If someone who is a Christian has zero fear of God's judgement, that would speak to an inflated sense of spiritual worth, also known as prelest.
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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 22:07:14 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
     Well said.

     From my side, I believe, that the christian belief in God is deeply rooted in the fear of inevitable death. Therefore, someone breaking in the foxhole is completely natural and just confirms the nature of christian belief.

     I also think, that most christians live already "broken" by fear of death for their entire lifes.

     But also, I don't see people trying everything including a prayer in such an extreme situation as them in fact being sure, that God DOES exist. That is a huge jump in logic.

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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 22:19:34 JST NEETzsche

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     The promise of a heavenly afterlife can certainly be construed as being motivated by fear of death, and it can also be construed as a threat considering most branches of Christianity menace disbelievers with hell. However, this isn't very satisfying, because the Christian narratives (varying by denomination) have quite a bit more meat to them than just being scared of death and Jebus comes to CTR+Z you unaliving. If it revolved around merely being afraid of death, one would construct a religion that promises universal salvation with no other theological ideas, and while some branches of Christianity do promise universal salvation, most do not, and as far as I'm aware, even the ones that do, have quite a few other theological ideas alongside that one.

     Just off the top of my head, Christianity has elaborate scripture on creation, eschatology, ethics, history, and philosophy. There's complex narratives to support all of the above, which I will spare you in this thread. And that's just going by sola scriptura, without getting into things like the traditions of Orthodoxy or the extrabiblical scriptures such as the Gnostic or Mormons, which expound upon a lot of these topics in even greater detail.

     Trying to reduce Christianity down to "they're simply afraid of death" just, isn't really correct. Even if you think it's ultimately bullshit.

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     @NEETzsche @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
     Sure, there is a lot of philosophy, that I LOVE about christian thought.

     But fear of death is the entire premise of "no atheists in foxholes."

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-May-2024 23:06:11 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @amerika @Mr_NutterButter
     So, do you believe, that atheism is a positive belief in absense of God, or that it is a lack of belief in his existence?

     You cannot argue with me on this topic, and then say to @NEETzsche that you agree with the same claim.

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     @NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty @Mr_NutterButter
     
     I agree and would add: I do not trust people who believe out of fear.
     
     That means self-interest.
     
     Actual spiritual events would be more of a nature of awe, reverence, being struck by beauty, insight, epiphany, etc.