Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@Theriac @CloudyMrs @Wen @soren
And that's another issue altogether. Quite evidently if someone were to represent a unfamiliar constituency, the least they could do was learn the basics about that area.
Intimating someone couldn't learn enough about an unfamiliar area to represent them is a ridiculous notion.
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren it isn't another issue altogether. It is literally the only issue.
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren Did Gordon Brown not represent a UK constituency? 😒
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@CloudyMrs @Theriac @Wen @soren
Gordon Brown bring PM of the #UK?
Personally I think the quality of the representation is far more important than the representative being local. I can think of a few planks around me that I'd be horrified if they rocked up to #Westminster as my MP. 😳
If the representative is effective AND local, even better...
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren that's not the point you think it is. He was as local to the UK as every other potential PM.
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@CloudyMrs @Theriac @Wen @soren
That's my whole point. It didn't matter if he represented a #Scottish or #English constituency. He was Scottish & his place of birth had little bearing on people voting #Labour.
It's the character & effectiveness of the person that matters most, albeit I concede it helps if the candidate also has a local connection too.
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren No Anthony. He was, and still is Brittish. He was a British MP in the British parliament who became British PM.
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@CloudyMrs @Theriac @Wen @soren
Gordon Brown is #Scottish & a #British citizen. There's a clear h defining difference.
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren Oh my! How on earth have you got to the point of conflating those two things? A Londoner who doesn't know the area, being shipped into Caithness because they presumably cant find anyone more qualified to stand is not in any way equivalent to a British MP becoming British PM. Its actually laughable. 🤣🤣
Mrs Cloudy
@Wen @AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @soren I understand very well. She's a place keeper to avoid the headlines that would follow if Scottish Labour couldn't find enough candidates to stand. And they can't.
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren it is literally ONLY you who keeps banging on about "place of birth". NO ONE else has ever mentioned it. Just you.
Your clear misunderstanding of the difference between MPs and MSPs is just making you look silly.
If Gordon Brown had been an MSP, sitting in the Scottish Parliament and only representing Scotland, he would clearly be unable to have become UK PM. He wasn't. He was a British MP at Westminster. Same as all the other British MPs.
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@CloudyMrs @Theriac @Wen @soren
Only you are separating the 2 to suit your narrative. You have someone born elsewhere, representing elsewhere. It's not me with that issue, it's you
I could easily say why didn't RH Gordon Brown represent #Scottish #Labour, & stay away from Westminster? I didn't, because I couldn't care less where the best & most effective candidate comes from, looks like, his colour, religion or sexual orientation
If you want to go down this road, where do we draw the line? 🤔
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren Erm! We do. Scotland is still part of the UK. Westminster is the parliament of the UK. All UK MPs are equally qualified to be the PM of the UK.
Scotland , like England, is a constituent part of the UK.
Please tell me you know that. 🤣
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@CloudyMrs @Theriac @Wen @soren
And it's you who's splitting hairs about people from one area of the #UK, representing another area.
Gordon Brown's from another blummin Country! 🏴 😳
You can't have it both ways.
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren And, until then, we are part of the UK. Once we become independent, you would have a point, but right now, you don't. Who is eligible to be a UK MP isn't dependent on the wishes of one independence supporting voters. Unless you seriously believe that only English MPs are qualified to represent the whole UK at a time when the UK still exists, you should give it on this particular line of argument.
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@CloudyMrs @Theriac @Wen @soren
I'm aware of that, BUT it's NOT what you want is it? You want an independent, separate #Scotland, so stop with all this Unionist "We're all #British" rubbish will ya? 🇬🇧 😁
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙
@CloudyMrs @Theriac @Wen @soren
What I'm saying is practice what you preach & advocate. #Scottish politicians for Scottish politics, & #English politicians for English politics.
HOWEVER, you've hit the nail on the head that for now we're all part of the #UK, so different rules apply. This brings us nicely full circle to why I'll vote #Labour at #GE2024 & why I think they're the best hope (in my humble opinion) for the WHOLE of the UK!
FINALLY! We got there in the end! Yaaaay!🌹❎️ 🗳 🏴 😁
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren Off you go then. You win. That tends to happen when you only listen to yourself. Give yourself a jelly baby to celebrate.
Mrs Cloudy
@AnthonyFStevens @Theriac @Wen @soren, you're still pretending to believe that the argument was about where people came from. Really sad that your mind is so closed on that point. I'm muting you now.
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