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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:07:28 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?
This is a more accurate picture of an ophan angel than that retarded, Reddit-tier "Biblically accurate angels" meme.
RT: https://poa.st/objects/0e74be04-8fe4-40d6-a5a0-90e0d41a7825-
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:07:27 JST nugger
@SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur NO ITS NOT
ANGELS HAVE NO PHYSICAL BODIES
ALL DEPICTIONS OF THEM SYMBOLICALLY SIGNIFIES SOMETHING INSTEAD OF SHOWING THEIR MATERIAL REALITY (THEY AIN'T GOT ONE)
EVEN THE STANDARD DUDE WITH WINGS ANGEL IS A DUDE WITH WINGS ONLY TO SHOW THAT AN ANGEL IS A REASONABLE BEING LIKE A DUDE, EXCEPT AN IMMATERIAL SPIRIT HENCE WITH WINGS, LIVING IN THE INVISIBLE AIR BETWEEN MATERIAL THINGSBowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:09:44 JST nugger
@SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur I DID NOT ASCRIBE FORMLESSNESS, EXHAUSTIVE AND ETERNAL INVISIBILITY, OR UNREAL AND INNATELY DECEPTIVE APPEARANCES TO SPIRITUAL THINGS
I SAID THAT SPIRITUAL ENTITIES ARE NOT MATERIAL, AND DEPICTIONS OF SPIRITUAL ENTITIES IN A MATERIAL WAY ARE NECESSARILY CRUTCHES
LIKE VERBAL OR TEXTUAL POETIC DESCRIPTIONS OF A PERSON, OR A MAP OF A PLACE IN RELATION TO THE PLACE
THE SIMPLE WITHOUT PARTS STUFF IS IFFY AT A GUT CHECK, WON'T EVEN PROBE
>MERE SYMBOL
IF YOU'VE EVER PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG YOU'VE FORFEITED THE RIGHT TO SAY THIS PHRASE AND MEAN IT
THERE ARE NO MERE SYMBOLS, SYMBOLS ARE NOT CARDBOARD CUTOUT STAND-INS FOR SOMETHING REAL
THAT'S "MONEY IS JUST PAPER" TYPE STUFF
>GOD CAN'T DO THING
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>9TH COMMANDMENT
IF I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SOME ASPECT OF YOUR POST THAT WOULDN'T MEAN YOU BORE FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:09:45 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?
@nugger @EdBoatConnoisseur >ANGELS HAVE NO PHYSICAL BODIES
It doesn't matter. Being without any form, no matter the composition, is not a necessary attribute of spiritualness. Being spirit refers to spiritual things' composition and substance which is simple or without parts among other attributes, which is contrasted to physical matter and energy that is made up in parts.
>ALL DEPICTIONS OF THEM SYMBOLICALLY SIGNIFIES SOMETHING INSTEAD OF SHOWING THEIR MATERIAL REALITY
To portray oneself falsely as a real ontological being for a mere symbol and appearance that is not readily apparent to all audiences of the vision, both the ones receiving the visions and the readers both ancient and modern, that has no basis whatsoever on one's actual ontological status is breaking the 9th Commandment, and neither God nor His faithful angels can do so being the Father and messengers of Truth.
>LIVING IN THE INVISIBLE AIR BETWEEN MATERIAL THINGS
Whenever the Bible mentions the "invisibility" of God and spiritual things, it is referring only to the inability of human people living on Earth to regular experience and perceive those things, as God put a hard demarcation between the spiritual and the physical. it does not refer to inability to whatsoever for all eternity to perceive a true form of spiritual things. This demarcation is removed at the end of history and is a promise for believers (Rev. 22:1,3). To say otherwise or make merely symbolic voids that promise and call God a liar.
Moses saw the form and appearance of the Lord:
"With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" (Num. 12:8)
Even when the Israelites did and could not for their sinfulness and faithlessness:
"Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, (Deut. 4:15-16)
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:14:01 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?
@nugger @EdBoatConnoisseur >GOD CAN'T DO THING
>HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Yes, He literally cannot lie in any way. He is the Truth. It's against His very nature and character to lie. it's a logical contradiction and blasphemy to say otherwise.
"...in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began..." (Titus 1:2)
>IF I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SOME ASPECT OF YOUR POST THAT WOULDN'T MEAN YOU BORE FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME
I didn't say being hard to understand is what makes the liar. I said representing oneself as an ontological being when the appearances and forms have no bearing whatsoever on the ontological reality is what constitutes a lie.
The part about not understanding the symbols of one's appearance, which I never denied the elements of Ezekiel visions being symbolic as well as ontologically real, is to show that the intention of God appearing to Ezekiel cannot be to only symbolize some ephemeral and abstract thing about Himself, since the symbolic meaning are never explained or referred to by anybody in Scriptures, not even Ezekiel, the Lord, or the Spirit of God that carries Ezekiel away, and the ancient Hebraic audience would not have taken Ezekiel's vision to be merely symbolic.
I gave suggestions to Branman what some of the elements of that vision could symbolize, but that does not mean that the sole purpose of the ophanim is to symbolize God's attributes nor that what I said to Branman is what the ophanim actually symbolizes, if they do symbolize anything. It was an educated conjecture. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:14:01 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
@SuperSnekFriend @nugger @EdBoatConnoisseur >Yes, He literally cannot lie in any way. He is the Truth. It's against His very nature and character to lie. it's a logical contradiction and blasphemy to say otherwise.
I do believe angels can come in a human form, possibly different from their true form. I do not believe it would be lying, because their true form would be alarming to most. To this point, I believe that, when asked, they would also reveal their true nature and possibly true form. I have little basis for this besides my personal beliefs and interactions and experiences. -
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:14:02 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?
@nugger @EdBoatConnoisseur >I DID NOT ASCRIBE FORMLESSNESS, EXHAUSTIVE AND ETERNAL INVISIBILITY, OR UNREAL AND INNATELY DECEPTIVE APPEARANCES TO SPIRITUAL THINGS
Then why are you denying my statement? Sexuality is not purely an attribute of physicality and material composition. The Biblical laws like Deuteronomy 22:5 or 1 Corinthians 14:35, and statements like "In that day the Egyptians will be like women" (Is. 19:16) or "gentle and quiet spirit" (1 Peter 3:4) would not make sense otherwise.
>DEPICTIONS OF SPIRITUAL ENTITIES IN A MATERIAL WAY ARE NECESSARILY CRUTCHES
Okay, so you do believe that formlessness and exhaustive and eternal invisibility are necessary attributes of spiritualness because you believe the opposite can only occur with the physical. So why are saying you don't believe that. Which is it?
>THE SIMPLE WITHOUT PARTS STUFF IS IFFY AT A GUT CHECK, WON'T EVEN PROBE
Divine simplicity is a necessary attribute of God and spiritual creatures and creations. God especially must be God through and through without any parts, where otherwise one can say, "this part is a thing that can exist a part from God Himself," or "God is bound to how this part of Him interacts with Himself or another part." The whole reason we can say God is "not material" is because of this simplicity. Material creatures and creations are made of many parts and elements, binding them to the interactions of those parts.
>IF YOU'VE EVER PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG YOU'VE FORFEITED THE RIGHT TO SAY THIS PHRASE AND MEAN IT
THERE ARE NO MERE SYMBOLS
I said "mere symbol" contrasting to the Biblical descriptions of the angels in Ezekiel being their form and ontological reality, as well any symbols God intended to be ascribed from that reality. Don't put words in my mouth. -
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:14:45 JST nugger
@SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur >Yes, He literally cannot lie in any way. He is the Truth. It's against His very nature and character to lie. it's a logical contradiction and blasphemy to say otherwise.
>"...in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began..." (Titus 1:2)
THAT AS A STATEMENT ABOUT GOD'S CHARACTER, AND THE TRUST IN HIM
NOT AS AN OBLIGATION OR ANY WAY TO BIND HIMBowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:22:36 JST nugger
@BowsacNoodle @SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur WELL DEMONS ARE FALLEN ANGELS AND THEY CAN PRESENT THEMSELVES WITH AN APPEARANCE THAT DOESN'T DISCLOSE THEIR EVIL WAYS BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this.BowserNoodle ☦️ repeated this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:25:32 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
@nugger @SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur True, but they are also evil and do anything in their power to keep people from God. I guess we could say they have the capacity to present as whatever, and the question is whether or not they do this or are allowed to do so. I think the answer is "yes", because God visited Abraham and ate food and neither of them were blinded or instantly vaporized at the sight of Him. -
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:28:11 JST nugger
@BowsacNoodle @SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur BUT THATS A MOMENT OF EXPLICIT DECEPTION AND THEIR WILL IS NOT IN LINE WITH GOD'S WILL
IVE HEARD STORIES OF GUARDIAN ANGELS APPEARING TO CHILDREN IN FORMS THEY'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT HOW MUCH OF IT IS "SOFTENING THE BLOW" OF AN UNMEDIATED EXPERIENCE
AND HOW MUCH IS THAT THE OPPOSITE --
THAT WE'VE SINNED AND GREW CRUST AND BARNACLES OVER THE YEARS AND THE VISIT WOULD BE EXPERIENCED BY US AS A PAINFUL AND FEARSOME ENCOUNTER WHEREAS A CHILD WHO'D NEVER SEEN BEARS KILL STUFF ON NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC WANTS TO GO PET THE BIG DOGGIE -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:28:59 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
@nugger @SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur You're making me think of the cute video with the tiny girl trying to pet the bear cub.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:29:45 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
@nugger @SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur I want to pet a baby bear too. No lie. -
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:29:47 JST nugger
@BowsacNoodle @SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur THATS THE ONE I WAS THINKING ABOUT TOO -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:46:56 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
@nugger @SuperSnekFriend @EdBoatConnoisseur Could be or maybe some mortal creature that wishes to hide itself from man to prevent some from worshipping it like the gods of old. I'm thinking of Saint Anthony The Great and his encounter with the satyr.
Before long in a small rocky valley shut in on all sides he sees a mannikin with hooked snout, horned forehead, and extremities like goats’ feet. When he saw this, Anthony like a good soldier seized the shield of faith and the helmet of hope: the creature none the less began to offer to him the fruit of the palm-trees to support him on his journey and as it were pledges of peace. Anthony perceiving this stopped and asked who he was. The answer he received from him was this: “I am a mortal being and one of those inhabitants of the desert whom the Gentiles deluded by various forms of error worship under the names of Fauns, Satyrs, and Incubi. I am sent to represent my tribe. We pray you in our behalf to entreat the favor of your Lord and ours, who, we have learnt, came once to save the world, and ‘whose sound has gone forth into all the earth.’” As he uttered such words as these, the aged traveller’s cheeks streamed with tears, the marks of his deep feeling, which he shed in the fulness of his joy. He rejoiced over the glory of Christ and the destruction of Satan, and marvelling all the while that he could understand the Satyr’s language, and striking the ground with his staff, he said, “Woe to you, Alexandria, who instead of God worships monsters! Woe to you, harlot city, into which have flowed together the demons of the whole world! What will you say now? Beasts speak of Christ, and you instead of God worship monsters.”
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:46:57 JST nugger
@SuperSnekFriend @BowsacNoodle @EdBoatConnoisseur ACTUALLY I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING
ARE GRIFFINS, LIKE MEDIEVAL HERALDRY GRIFFINS, SUPPOSED TO BE SIMILAR KIND OF THING? -
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:46:58 JST nugger
@SuperSnekFriend @BowsacNoodle @EdBoatConnoisseur CHERUBIM WOODENLY LITERALLY MEANS "LIVING THINGS"
YOU KNOW THE ONE PSALM WHERE ITS THE
"THERE IS THIS GREAT WIDE SEA AND TEEMING MULTITUDES OF LIVING THINGS THEREIN, THERE IS THAT LEVIATHAN YOU'VE MADE TO PLAY THERE"
THE TEEMING MULTITUDES OF LIVING THINGS IS CHERUBIM SABAOTH -
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:46:59 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?
@BowsacNoodle @nugger @EdBoatConnoisseur At least we can pet the big, fuzzy "dogs" without fear in Heaven. :praying: -
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nugger@poa.st's status on Saturday, 18-May-2024 02:46:59 JST nugger
@SuperSnekFriend @BowsacNoodle @EdBoatConnoisseur HEY THE CHERUBIM ARE OFTEN DEPICTED AS MASHUP ANIMALS
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