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   Tinosoft :verified: :cgss_anzu: (tinosoft@miniwa.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 11:12:17 JST Tinosoft :verified: :cgss_anzu:
   Gente, mi anterior cuenta de misskey está caída, ahora mi cuenta alterna en misskey está en mk.spook.social porque son la única estancia de misskey de derecha que encontré.
   
   La mayoría de las instancias misskey que me encontré con registro abierto en en fediverse observer son... unos putos maricas pendejos mamahuevos trans comunistas veganos radicales otakus que hacen nyaa de manera no irónica con furros con tendencia a perdonar pedófilos que tienen GB de CP en sus discos duros.
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     Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki (daya@princess.wedding)'s status on Wednesday, 08-May-2024 11:12:16 JST Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki

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     @tinosoft oh dios mío, una cosa es no estar de acuerdo en algo y otra es decir una alta sarta de majaderías, bueno, la mayoría de las instancias no dicen apoyar alguna alineación política, como está, pero a tu ver qué alineación política tiene si la tiene, o realmente somos neutrales aquí?
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     Tinosoft :verified: :cgss_anzu: (tinosoft@miniwa.moe)'s status on Thursday, 09-May-2024 00:07:55 JST Tinosoft :verified: :cgss_anzu:

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     • pistolero
     @daya cuando se trata de redes sociales hay dos tipos de admins: los que regulan el contenido de sus sitios y los que no los regulan como @p admin de Free Speech Extremist o @graf de Poa.st
     
     Los que regulan usualmente el contenido creen que la libertad de expresión es sólo hablar de cosas bonitas y que no haya alguna ofensa, donde el infractor merece ser doxxeado, eliminado y funado mediante una lista de bloqueos.
     
     En esos sitios son como Canadá, toda forma de crítica, por muy lógica que sea a ciertas minorías es "discurso de odio", y como la mayoría de los que administran esos sitios son de esas minorías es normal que moderen todo lo que no les gusta.
     
     Los del bando de la inacción, ellos sólo tienen dos reglas: que no suban datos privados de otras personas y que tengan el aviso de contenido sensible en las imágenes para no afectar a los demás. Si existen reportes de malos usuarios en sus redes ellos simplemente no los toman en cuenta salvo que afecten el anonimato de sus usuarios.
     
     En el otro extremo, los que no moderan aguantan los tomatazos y saben que no existe el discurso de odio como lo concibe la modernidad.
     
     Así que con eso, espero que se aclare mi publicación.
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     Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki (daya@princess.wedding)'s status on Thursday, 09-May-2024 00:08:08 JST Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki

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     • pistolero
     @tinosoft @p @graf Sharkey es muy popular últimamente, que opinas de el?
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 09-May-2024 21:54:20 JST pistolero

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     @tinosoft @daya @graf :bigbosssalute:
     
     (I'd participate but my Spanish is still terrible; apologies.)
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     Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki (daya@princess.wedding)'s status on Thursday, 09-May-2024 21:54:20 JST Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki

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     • pistolero
     @p @tinosoft @graf then participate in English
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 03:09:15 JST pistolero

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     @daya @tinosoft I don't think there are any really neutral instances (if I understand you correctly), but I think it is easier to relax on an instance that has a completely neutral moderation policy. This requires setting aside personal feelings when deciding to do something that affects other people using the machine, which seems like common sense to me, but appears foreign to a lot of people running servers, as they tend to think that the admin must endorse everything anyone else does. It seems like a stressful way to live, just constantly being vigilant that you will say the wrong thing and get sent away and then you can't talk to your friends, which is why I think a lot of them go on the attack so frequently: not only are they hypervigilant but if someone else is the bad guy today, it's not you. I don't want to have to think that way about my own posts, let alone everyone using FSE, so I don't. I'm also fundamentally lazy, so if two people can solve the problem themselves (blocking or muting or something) then it's better that they do that than that adults run to an authority figure to solve these problems. And if I try to solve it, I think it reinforces the idea that it's appropriate to do: I don't want to reinforce that idea, I don't want to treat adults like children.
     
     I also have very strong feelings about freedom of speech, but I wrote a lengthy piece about that: https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/what-is-freedom-of-speech.html .
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 03:20:26 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     • pistolero
     @daya @p @tinosoft i host a misskey instance at pisskey.io :akkoShrug:
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     Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki (daya@princess.wedding)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 03:24:01 JST Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki

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     @p @tinosoft that would be the ideal, not having to moderate, I read your terms and conditions, sometimes offence can be considered discrimination which is illegal and you said you don't endorse something illegal in your instances. What is your opinion about legality of discrimination?
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     Terry Hendrix II 🏹 (thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 07:46:19 JST Terry Hendrix II 🏹

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     • pistolero

     Sounds like a “in Soviet Mastodo” thread. Turn in your neighbors for being unloyal to the party is a common theme on those instances.

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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 07:46:35 JST pistolero

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     @thendrix @daya @tinosoft Well, they are communists.
     
     Mr. Gargarolon, tear down this fediblock!
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 20:58:56 JST pistolero

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     @daya @tinosoft There are two principles in conflict here. The first is freedom of speech: obviously, the name of the site indicates that it was chosen by someone that was extremely in favor of freedom of speech. It's unacceptable to say that there are beliefs a person is not allowed to hold or opinions a person isn't allowed to express: any attempt by an authority to compel a person's thoughts is unreasonable, and any person that allows it is a slave, and complicit in enslaving others. To allow your thoughts to be dictated to you is to discard your humanity, as is trying to prevent someone from speaking their conscience. To attempt to compel others' thoughts or words is an attempt to dehumanize. I cannot phrase this strongly enough.
     
     Then there's a person's right to go about their business peacefully, without compulsion from strangers. If you walk past someone having a conversation, and what they are saying offends you, it's not reasonable to say they're at fault for anything. Someone chasing you down and yelling the offensive thing at you, it's reasonable to say they are interfering with your business. If you talk to someone and they insult you, legally (and I believe ethically) that's in the first category: you stop talking to them. So how it is that they're conveying the offense is more relevant than the offense itself. FSE's first ban was someone jumping into random threads to yell at random people: I don't see a problem with banning someone for deliberately trying to cause problems or spamming everyone they see on TWKN. (See Searle's paper on "illocutionary acts", linked in the blog post.)
     
     Finally, one more note about the question: I don't know of a place where there is a blanket prohibition on "discrimination" per se. Hopefully I don't sound like I'm being too pedantic. There are cases where some grounds for discrimination are illegal: it is illegal to make hiring decisions based on race or religion in the US, for example, but it is completely legal (and in fact expected) that employers discriminate based on experience and skill. So I'm going to assume we're talking about the general topic of expressing opinions in public that offend others.
     
     So, to answer the question:
     
     > sometimes offence can be considered discrimination which is illegal and you said you don't endorse something illegal in your instances. What is your opinion about legality of discrimination?
     
     Something that is merely offensive should not, under any reasonable system of laws, be illegal. (Please note, it's one thing to express an opinion, it's another to hound someone. I know I'm repeating this, but even well-meaning people have misinterpreted this before, and people that are less well-meaning come through and cherry-pick posts. It's always an indirect quote, though: they never provide links or even screenshots of things I have said.) I'm in the United States, so I'm obligated to follow the law in the United States. People complain that something on this site is illegal in Germany, and from an administrative standpoint, I care as much about German laws as I do about North Korean laws, Russian laws, Chinese laws, Saudi laws: I am pleased if people that are silenced by oppressive regimes are able to use fedi to speak freely, I am delighted if they have a place where they can say things that are illegal in their home country. All of my infrastructure is here in the US, all the way down to the machine that I assembled and configured myself and took to the datacenter. As a consequence, although you can get arrested in North Korea for disrespecting Kim Il-Sung, Kim Jong-Il, or Kim Jong-Un, the North Korean government has no authority to arrest me. Likewise, in South Korea, openly endorsing communism is not legal. It's a criminal offense to say something that offends anyone's religious sensibilities in Singapore, regardless of the religion you have offended. The Baha'i religion is illegal in Iran, and in China, religious texts can only be distributed if the government approves the translation. Publicly endorsing homosexuality is illegal in Russia. Pornography is illegal in a large number of countries. Any of those things will offend *someone*, but censorship is authoritarian dehumanization: you have to either reject censorship or allow the state to decide what is truth. The second option is already a catastrophe, but merely speaking pragmatically, very quickly after you let the state decide what is true and what is "harmful misinformation" or too offensive to be permitted, you will find that anything that embarrasses a government official suddenly starts being legally false. The first use of the legal doctrine of "state secrets" in the US was in US v. Reynolds (1953), and the government used the cover of state secrets to lie, so that the widows of the crew of a poorly maintained Air Force bomber would lose a lawsuit seeking compensation from the government. This is any government: if they can control information in a way that prevents them being challenged, they will do so immediately.
     
     So, what actually is offensive? That's critical, because to answer that question, you have to decide: so who decides? And why do they get to decide? Legally, they have no right, and from an ethical standpoint, no one should attempt to be the arbiter of truth on behalf of others, no one has the right to decide for others what beliefs are acceptable to have or what beliefs they may express.
     
     So, FSE policy was always that no opinion is censored. Threats and spam and things like that, illegal forms of pornography (even when it's in a legal grey area, like loli hentai), those are not people conveying their beliefs or exchanging ideas. It is perfectly legal (though obviously unethical) to lie, because, among other things, setting the government up as the arbiter of truth is what a totalitarian does. Slander and libel are not criminal offenses, though you incur civil liability for doing so. Similarly, fraud is illegal: if you say something that you believe to be false in order to defraud people of their money, that's a criminal offense. I think it's easy to see the difference, right?
     
     So, if someone expresses an opinion that offends someone, what should I do about that? My goals for operating FSE were to make sure that it didn't have any policies that I wouldn't be willing to live on either side of, to push back against censorship, to have a place that was comfortable for me and for people that wanted a place like that but that were not able to run their own instances.
     
     That having been said, fsebugoutzone.org is a temporary setup ( https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/update-and-roadmap.html#FSE_Bugout_Zone ), and things are a bit different here than regular FSE, due to active development. (And in fact, an hour or two from now, I should be done with a thing I want to roll out tonight, and it will hopefully not break the site, but it might.)
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     touch fluffy tail (Heroic) :verified: (fluffy@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 20:59:42 JST touch fluffy tail (Heroic) :verified:

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     • pistolero
     @p @daya @tinosoft
     > The first use of the legal doctrine of "state secrets" in the US was in US v. Reynolds (1953), and the government used the cover of state secrets to lie, so that the widows of the crew of a poorly maintained Air Force bomber would lose a lawsuit seeking compensation from the government.
     
     I did not know this. Fascinating
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     Cookieman (cookieman@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 22:12:21 JST Cookieman

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     • pistolero
     @p @tinosoft @NonPlayableClown @daya
     
     my morals depend on who is doing what and why
     
     examples include
     
     i make fun out of Oct 7? based
     
     a jew makes fun out of bosnia? cringe
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 22:12:22 JST pistolero

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     @NonPlayableClown @daya @tinosoft
     
     > It's funny how some instances die on that hill, where they fully support porn post about loli.
     
     I'm not aware of anyone ever getting a legal complaint about it. That was part of what got neckbeard.xyz revoked, but they are on .st now; to date, I don't think anyone's died on that hill on fedi.
     
     Because they didn't like the *reason* FSE didn't allow loli, the anti-loli brigade remained extremely mad and kept trying to pick fights over it. (I eventually got tired of answering the question: https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/the-loli-question.html . The summary is that the reason it's not allowed here is the DOJ says they will prosecute it, and I don't think they will, but I also don't want to risk it: when they block FSE or if if the DOJ actually *does* start in on it, I don't want them to be able to use drawings as a pretext. There's not much to discuss, but they kept wanting to discuss it.) Then came the week of 1k+ notifications per day and as a consequence, although I continued removing it, I stopped banning people for posting it and stopped caring for the most part.
     
     The Loli Question is like the Israel/Palestine of fedi: everyone CARES SO MUCH about it despite their opinion not changing anything, people will spend hours arguing about it, and they refuse to accept "I don't want to host it, but I don't care, it's a drawing." as an answer. It is all so tiresome.
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     NonPlayableClown (nonplayableclown@postnstuffds.lol)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 22:12:23 JST NonPlayableClown

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     • pistolero
     >illegal forms of pornography (even when it's in a legal grey area, like loli hentai)
     
     :SeethingDanielS:
     
     It's funny how some instances die on that hill, where they fully support porn post about loli.
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     「 Fried Fristi 」 (fristi@akkos.fritu.re)'s status on Friday, 10-May-2024 22:38:32 JST 「 Fried Fristi 」

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     @p @tinosoft @NonPlayableClown @daya
     >The Loli Question is like the Israel/Palestine of fedi: everyone CARES SO MUCH about it despite their opinion not changing anything, people will spend hours arguing about it
     
     I wonder why people feel like that they MUST HAVE an opinion on things like this. Especially with the Israel/Palestine thing, most seem very eager to shout something about it despite not knowing a damn thing about the conflict or what it actually is they are promoting. Why isn't it an option to just -not- have an opinion?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 09:41:05 JST iced depresso

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     • NonPlayableClown
     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     • pistolero
     @fristi @p @tinosoft @NonPlayableClown @daya some things and people i have no opinions on but when all i hear about them for ten years it that they punched another orphan for no real reason i just get irritated.
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     Supah! :akko_fistup: (hispanicweeb@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jun-2024 03:14:52 JST Supah! :akko_fistup:

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     • Dayalicia Tohka Mitsuki
     @daya @tinosoft majaderías, que buena palabra
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