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   Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:43:14 JST Pawlicker
   techbros starting to realize their actions to fulfill their own careers or passivity had consequences.
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     Lina Inver?e (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:43:13 JST Lina Inver?e

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     @PurpCat they won't realize the opportunity to right their wrongs until it's too late just like they did in the past, it's human nature really
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     Lina Inver?e (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:44:54 JST Lina Inver?e

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     @PurpCat dude imagine if that laptop falls on his face and then tumbles off the bed and fucking BREAKS
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:44:55 JST Pawlicker

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     @lina they're going to get shouted down by brickface for quite some time
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     Lina Inver?e (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:45:54 JST Lina Inver?e

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     @PurpCat aw shucks
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:45:55 JST Pawlicker

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     • Lina Inver?e
     @lina you just know he got accidental damage warranty on the company dollar
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:48:08 JST Pawlicker

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     • Lina Inver?e
     @lina knew some piece of shit who worked at google and he literally billed to the company the most expensive X1 yoga config LMAO
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     Lina Inver?e (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 06:48:08 JST Lina Inver?e

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     @PurpCat to google that was a drop in the bucket, a shame really, wish it'd be more disastrous
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     Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:42 JST Anime Wong

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     @PurpCat >back when you could still meet interesting people online without having to break past a facade
     
     I miss this version of the internet so much.
     
     Yeah, I've experience the fatigue of the "diversity meeting" myself, and I otherwise have a pass around this stuff in several ways. It's to weed people out, pure and simple. No one believes these meetings make people less racist, or that it makes for a more harmonious work environment. Just the opposite is true. The most comfortable work environment I've been in was this time when I was working with a bunch of ex-military guys. They were loud, they were "racist", and yet none of it was really mean. What I realized was that once someone joking calls you a chink to your face, or makes fun of the black guy, suddenly there's not a lot that you can say that will permanently severe your relationship. You can get in an argument, fume about it for a few hours, and them cool off and rejoin.
     
     They hold these meetings, bombard you with this crap, because they know that the average conservative will self-delete if you force them into enough meetings, and they make an example of the ones who get a little too loud about it. The ones who do stick around won't say a peep because they're afraid. It isolates people, it makes you feel stifled and afraid. The more ridiculous it is, the stronger the effect is. That's why MS had their hosts describe the color of their boxers, it wasn't because they believed it would help the blind feel more included (how tf is a totally blind person going to know what maroon looks like, how many totally blind people even work at MS?). Someone knew it was crazy and over the top, and they also knew that it would further silence everyone. They'll think this are too far gone, that nothing they said will change anything, that they're just one person.
     
     It's frustrating that the average Conservative will "run away" when he is not wanted, instead of finding more effective ways to fight back against this. You mentioned O'keef, he's a great example of a way to fight back against this because in most cases it's risk free so long as everyone is careful. Even if someone slips up, the consequences are not completely massive.
     
     I think this is what drives me nuts more than anything. If a few good men had the guts to actually take a stance against this, we wouldn't be in this situation. Instead it's as though everyone told themselves "it wouldn't be a problem, someone else will deal with it". Well, no one did.
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:43 JST Pawlicker

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     • Anime Wong
     @Elliptica that and the response to CVille was one of the first times many people began to see the tech industry is rotted to it's core with these beliefs.
     
     At least here I sure did and I got to learn how many wannabe techbros (you know, the unemployed types who blindly worship Apple to the point of making their shitty website look like it's an iOS product and dream of making it there and maybe have a few unfinished projects) have these same beliefs too.
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:43 JST Pawlicker

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     @Elliptica The other thing I learned from this era back when you could still meet interesting people online without having to break past a facade or finding everyone living in a private friends only Discord server was that there were only two opinions in the tech industry. You were either with the left wing stuff, or you were shutting the fuck up and putting up with it to obtain your wagie dollars at your Office Space tier job. There was no in between, period.
     
     What happened to James Damore and many others is a very high profile example of what happened when you spoke out: you'd get sacked and blackballed amongst the Big Tech industry. But if you stayed silent, maybe you'd get a slick job with a fancy title at a no-name company like Honeycomb.io, which pays the bills and maybe you'll even deal with less poz there. Plus, nobody really wants to start their own company.
     
     So there's great pressure to not do what he did. What he did is something most people who aren't autistic like he is would never dare to do. They would just go to the diversity meeting and then go back to grinding away at code. I met a Google employee who on Discord recently was very pissed about his job and the diversity shit he put up with and it's clear it was taking a mental toll on him. But that's part of the point: you either are with them or you're silent. If you're against them, well imagine a techbro trying to work a trade job and put up with the coworkers in that field.
     BowserNoodle ☦️ repeated this.
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:44 JST Pawlicker

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     @Elliptica To add to this, none of the techbros saw what canning people like Brendan would lead to and some of them were way behind on where the wind was blowing inside and out of the bubble. The people who were fine tuned into this shit knew, even Vox Day's SJWs book from the early days of GG (that has aged well in some parts and badly in others IMO, the never apologize part was 100% solid advice) had a section on the aftermath to Mozilla of him being forced out.
     
     Unsurprisingly, Firefox now has fewer people using it than Microsoft Edge especially when you add in mobile numbers, and while there was a decline due to Eich being pushed out, many users were not thrilled with it trying to copy Chrome, the plugin change, the rewrite, the Firefox OS fiasco, and many more things. To add to that, there were a lot of sneaky things Chrome did like being bundled like it was adware with literally fucking everything in the 2010s.
     
     But Firefox now is controlled opposition, funded by Google with a wink and a nod.
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     Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:44 JST Anime Wong

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     @PurpCat It's unbelievable how deep this rabbit hole goes. I remember feeling bad for Damore at the time, but thinking it was just a lot of noise and of very little substance passed him getting fired without much recourse. I had no idea so many big names were a part of that.
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:45 JST Pawlicker

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     • Anime Wong
     @Elliptica yeah it wasn't in the initial memo but the lawsuit (page 39)
     https://www.scribd.com/document/368688363/James-Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:45 JST Pawlicker

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     • Anime Wong
     @Elliptica the other person to get involved with LFJ around this time was Josh from KF, after LFJ was being used as a third party to do a different groups bidding by using a google.com email to harass Josh into removing info about a scammy trans suicide hotline that never picked up the phone.
     
     This is the same trick that would lead to the FreeDesktop and Hyprland drama a few weeks ago where Lyude Paul used a redhat email to harass the dev about the code of conduct.
     
     Literally this shit goes all the way back to 2017, but Damore's lawsuit was the first time it was mentioned in the court of law and not a message board.
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     Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:46 JST Anime Wong

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     @PurpCat Thanks, that's his name, and did he really? That was over a decade ago, it's wild to think Fong's name was going around back then too.
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     Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:47 JST Anime Wong

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     @PurpCat Another name someone should add to the list would be that guy from good (who's name I can't remember now). He wrote some memo basically saying that the culture in google is hostile to men, and especially White men, and that he's like to see that change. They then fired, and last I saw, he still didn't have a solid job.
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-May-2024 12:27:47 JST Pawlicker

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     • Anime Wong
     @Elliptica James Damore is a good boy who didn't do nothing.
     
     Never forget he was the first to call out LFJ.