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   Michel Lind :fedora: :debian: (michelin@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 26-Apr-2024 21:56:55 JST Michel Lind :fedora: :debian:

   Hot take after an afternoon un-fsck-ing a #CMake project: `*Config.cmake` files are so much harder to debug than `*.pc` #PKGConfig files, so not only are you trying to make sense of a Turing complete project definition but all the transitive dependencies that happen to use CMake too

   I'm increasingly a #meson fan.

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     Michel Lind :fedora: :debian: (michelin@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 26-Apr-2024 21:57:45 JST Michel Lind :fedora: :debian:

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     current soundtrack: "Everything Is Broken". Both the Bob Dylan and Sheryl Crow versions.

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     Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora: (conan_kudo@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 26-Apr-2024 21:58:51 JST Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

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     @michelin It happens for silly simple things too, like not being able to handle the library directory path for RISCV targets.

     https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/12808

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 26-Apr-2024 21:58:51 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:
     @Conan_Kudo @michelin Heh, I had a silly equivalent few weeks ago as well, if you run CMake into a symlinked directory it somehow gets an entirely wrong canonical path.
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     Michel Lind :fedora: :debian: (michelin@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 26-Apr-2024 21:58:52 JST Michel Lind :fedora: :debian:

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     • Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

     @Conan_Kudo for the 10% of the most complicated use cases maybe. But when something goes wrong with meson+pkgconfig the issue is obvious. With *Config.cmake... definitely not

     It's Chef vs Ansible and Gradle vs Maven/Leiningen all over again

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     Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora: (conan_kudo@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 26-Apr-2024 21:58:53 JST Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

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     @michelin On the flip side, meson's lack of extensibility and need to support everything from everyone itself means that it's a lot more language unstable than CMake. And I've seen some ugly hacking around Meson limitations in GNOME stuff... 😦

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     Michel Lind :fedora: :debian: (michelin@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 26-Apr-2024 22:42:23 JST Michel Lind :fedora: :debian:

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     • Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

     @lanodan @Conan_Kudo yeah... ideally a build system has an extension mechanism. But I still maintain that #KISS should be a guiding principle. Whether meson might be *too* inflexible, maybe

     But yeah on the RISC V issue the RISC V people themselves are ... causing unnecessary trouble with their weird defaults

     I used to be keen on that architecture but now am souring on it. On that @Conan_Kudo was right several years ago 🫠

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