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   Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 02:41:32 JST Aida Akl

   • David Boles
   • BeAware

   @BeAware @david What the heck ... Is the mask coming off?

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 02:22:57 JST BeAware

     So.... apparently Threads is asking users after 30 days if they want to keep Fediverse on.

     I hope this is simply an analytics thing that they're tracking to see how many users keep it on and not some sort of "hey...nudge nudge....you might wanna turn that off...." kinda thing....

     I still have my doubts about Threads federation even though I am more positive about it than others. I really hope they don't make me defederate. That will make me sad.

     #ActivityPub #Fedi #Fediverse #Threads #Meta #Mastodon

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     C.W. Smith 🇺🇲 (cwsmith@social.mechanizedarmadillo.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 02:35:38 JST C.W. Smith 🇺🇲

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     @BeAware

     I got asked this morning, said to keep it active.

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     Owl!🦉 (lonelyowl@lor.sh)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 02:35:46 JST Owl!🦉

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     @BeAware

     Yep, we all know that despite his contributions to the feddiverse, which are good and valid, mark zuckerberg is still VERY SUS and his true motives are unclear 🤔

     Let's wait and see

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     Owl!🦉 (lonelyowl@lor.sh)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 02:49:06 JST Owl!🦉

     • BeAware

     @BeAware

     > It's not a good place for LGBTQ community

     Why?

     > EEE

     Yeah, that's personally the thing that bothers me the most. What makes it especially dangerous is that we need to somehow define what would be the "red line" after crossing which it would be safe to say that the meta is trying to EEE feddiverse.

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     Owl!🦉 (lonelyowl@lor.sh)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 02:56:05 JST Owl!🦉

     • BeAware

     @BeAware

     On twitter there are even more terfs or right-wing folks in general who hate them, yet they are still using it 🤔

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 10:38:24 JST BeAware

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     And here it is, the dark pattern at work....this threads integration is starting to go badly already....🤦♂️🙄

     #Fedi #Fediverse #Threads #EEE #Meta #ActivityPub

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     Patrick (ppb1701@ppb.social)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 11:16:28 JST Patrick

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     @BeAware Dude’s delusional, that’s the same as my iPhone going “App XYZ has been using your location for whatever. Do you wish to allow it to continue?” <options>

     it’s designed to make you think or second guess it.

     The question is if they are going to do that, then why federate at all?

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 11:17:04 JST BeAware

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     @ppb1701 Facts. After this interaction, I'm done advocating for them. I'll probably delete my account and defederate because this is arguing in completely bad faith.

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     Patrick (ppb1701@ppb.social)'s status on Monday, 22-Apr-2024 11:42:19 JST Patrick

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     @BeAware Yeah, it seems like they are doing it as a pr stunt mostly since a) most people won’t hit the toggle initially, b) by putting this scary prompt you’ll freak them out into toggling off, and c) by not giving an explanation that yes it is sending things out past Meta’s controlled environment….the fediverse is not some evil entity….many don’t even trust it.

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Apr-2024 00:23:40 JST BeAware

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     @david Simon blackstein thinks it's totally normal to tell someone about all the bad things about something and none of the good things. That's a dark pattern, is it not? 🤦♂️planned obsolescence at the very least...

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Apr-2024 00:23:42 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware

     Which account is the Threads engineer you mention? I saw that original conversation on Threads and found it outrages and the first reply, a bit weird.

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     Luca Sironi (luca@sironi.tk)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Apr-2024 00:31:48 JST Luca Sironi

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     @BeAware what's even the benefit for a normal threads user to keep it on, if they can't get back interactions.
     
     I simply don't get who ever can have a use case for this one way thing
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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Apr-2024 00:38:47 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware

     Is he the "Threddy" account you screenshot?

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 02:41:31 JST BeAware

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     @AAKL @david either that, or SERIOUSLY bad PR....however. I did have some of these concerns quelled by the CEO of a completely different company. 🤦♂️

     Mike McCue, CEO of Flipboard, had a talk with me yesterday about how it might be a data law issue. Like GDPR, there are a few different data laws around the world that companies have to deal with that are a legal nightmare.

     Meta isn't operating Threads in the EU right now for this very reason, however, they are still operating in California which has CCPA. here's a link to that discussion. https://flipboard.social/@mike/112317517766956422

     I'm still not dealing with Meta after their interaction because why didn't they just answer like Mike? Seems like a pretty simple, straight forward answer that I can understand completely.

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 02:45:54 JST Aida Akl

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     • BeAware

     @BeAware @david Bottom line is you can't trust a company that has a long record of wrongdoings that don't inspire trust. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop after their federation - and it will drop sooner or later.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 04:29:17 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware @AAKL

     That's an interesting conversation! Threads has to be all in on Fediverse or they lose all companion authority.

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:22:03 JST BeAware

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     @david @SomeAnoTooter @AAKL they don't have Fediverse on in Europe though so I'm pretty sure the only other law would be California and it shows up everywhere, not just California🤷♂️

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:22:04 JST David Boles

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     @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware @AAKL

     There was a big discussion on Threads a day or two ago about these "30 Day Popup" warnings and the people who know say they're a legal requirement in Europe. They're just following the law in providing those access warnings.

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     SomeAnoTooter (someanotooter@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:22:05 JST SomeAnoTooter

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     @BeAware @AAKL @david Oh yes, that could be the less nefarious reason behind it, to create reasonable, legal deniability if some unlawful things get into their platforms. Don't see how that could make them look better so.

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:39:27 JST BeAware

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     • SomeAnoTooter

     @AAKL @david @SomeAnoTooter I have about 30 followers there but I was only there to push Fediverse. My big issue was that they have been going "Fedi bad, we have to tell people Fedi bad because it's bad!" And saying nothing about the GOOD of it. It's liked planned obsolescence or something else that I don't have the specific term but it's not in good faith.

     Everything I usually saw there that wasn't from direct searches I did, was from the For You feed which tbh, isn't that bad of an algorithm.

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:39:28 JST Aida Akl

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     • SomeAnoTooter
     • BeAware

     @david @BeAware @SomeAnoTooter It was launched as an alternative after Twitter went to hell. But what you just described looks a lot like Twitter. I wouldn't touch either with or without ads.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:39:29 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware @SomeAnoTooter @AAKL

     The 30 Day Pop Up isn't a big deal. Ads are coming to threads in a couple of months. Threads can be a good Twitter killer.

     Reading threads and interacting there is dead -- I have no idea how some people have 130K followers.

     One woman joked this morning that without the Bots, she'd have no followers. She was posting posed butt photos, and I wanted to ask if she mean "Bots" or "Butts!" but I didn't.

     I don't think you can BUY Threads followers right now anyway.

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:41:52 JST Aida Akl

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     • SomeAnoTooter
     • BeAware

     @david @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware This is the difference between federation and a social platform owned by one person. And it's the reason why people come here. A few years ago, most people didn't even know Mastodon existed. That has changed and continues to change. There needs to be a middle way for Mastodon to grow further without throwing away the keys.

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:41:53 JST Aida Akl

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     @david @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware It's not really the same thing because a lot of people come to Mastodon to escape those services. But if you don't mind the algorithms, then those are the services you want.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:41:53 JST David Boles

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     @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware

     The problem is how will Mastodon catch the hive mind and grow? They want that and they need that but the disbursement of ideas across thousands of servers hurts that coalition, especially with politically active server admins.

     If you need to verify your identity -- for say, getting access to an Artist account -- you have to use one of the major social media companies. Mastodon isn't even an option. That was a hard, stinging, reality for me to accept last week.

     BeAware repeated this.
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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:41:55 JST David Boles

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     @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware

     After 18 months of being exclusively on Mastodon; I was sort of forced back into the mainstream social media platforms because of my music distribution. I've turned on all the old sites again and the interaction there: Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Threads (new!), Instagram, TikTok just slaughter any sort of interactive community in the Fediverse. There's a reason those social media services are hard to kill -- they work! That's where the people are!

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:41:56 JST Aida Akl

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     • SomeAnoTooter
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     @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware @david Yes, but there are a lot of reasons why people like open source, especially when it's not tied to a dominant commercial player. Wouldn't adoption suffer if there was a trust issue?

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     SomeAnoTooter (someanotooter@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:41:57 JST SomeAnoTooter

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     • BeAware

     @AAKL @BeAware @david trust is an important factor, that is not an essential part about #foss , which is a feature.

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     Taran Rampersad (knowprose@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:42:31 JST Taran Rampersad

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     • David Boles
     • SomeAnoTooter
     • BeAware

     @david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware well...

     You're trying to sell stuff. Nothing wrong with that, it's not a criticism.

     Have your sales gone up for your effort?

     (Yes: Great! The people on there buying your stuff is good, and I sincerely congratulate you because, yes.

     No: well, that's awkward.)

     I'm not selling anything. I share ideas and learn from others. I have thousands of followers on other networks, I have few here. I prefer it here because less people are trying to sell me stuff.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:48:59 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter

     Threads really seem to be pushing how much more action they have now than Twitter.

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:50:17 JST BeAware

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     • SomeAnoTooter

     @AAKL @david @SomeAnoTooter to be fair, I've had more "viral" posts here than I ever did on Twitter or my short time on Threads.🤣🤷♂️

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:50:18 JST Aida Akl

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     @david @BeAware @SomeAnoTooter By mainstream mind, you are referring to algorithms, which will get you more followers and stuff you want and don't want. There are no algorithms here. Some people like it, some don't. If you're looking for viral trends, this is not the place. If you're looking for conversation and a level of user agency, this is a good place. I don't think there is a perfect catch-all platform.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:50:19 JST David Boles

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     @AAKL @BeAware @SomeAnoTooter

     I understand. It all depends on features and wants and needs. If you have any desire to find the mainstream mind, you won't find it on Mastodon. That doesn't mean smart or stupid -- it only means people who are on social media are settled, and of a certain age, they know what they like, and getting them to move takes more than the Mastodon ideal that we are are seeking here together. They want frictionless friends and predictability. Mastodon does not offer that.

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:52:36 JST BeAware

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     @david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter it's my direct interaction with the Threads employee completely dismissing the issue instead of doing what Mike did, that made me leave. If he had simply said it's a legal issue, I might not have even left. He was a complete and total dick on the issue.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:52:37 JST David Boles

     • SomeAnoTooter
     • BeAware

     @BeAware @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter

     I completely agree with you. I just wish you hadn't left Threads. You can't change what you don't control.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:52:46 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter

     Threads is shouting into the abyss. It's sad, really. Unless, of course, you're one of the cool kids who works for Threads. Then people won't leave you alone!

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     Taran Rampersad (knowprose@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:53:03 JST Taran Rampersad

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     @david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware good for you. I'm glad you found what you wanted. 🙂

     I found what I wanted here. Good luck to you! 🙂

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:53:04 JST David Boles

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     @knowprose @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware

     For me, it's more about accountability. People should be who they are, and own what they say online -- wherever that might be. A lot of the mainstream social services offer/require ID in order to take full advantage of their services.

     Plus, I worked on my Facebook Page for years. Got it verified the old fashioned way -- I earned it! (Ha! John Houseman) -- and now that my page is turned on again a flood of all the old people like me are electrified!

     BeAware repeated this.
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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 22:58:05 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter

     It's okay for people to dismiss you. You win if you stay. We all lose when their effort to brush you off, is successful.

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     Hacker Factor (hackerfactor@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 23:14:19 JST Hacker Factor

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     @david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware
     If you don't like how your mastodon admin manages the system, then you can always switch to a different mastodon service operated by a better admin. (There's a simple "click to move" button.) Or you can run your own and be your own admin.

     In contrast, if you don't like the TikTok admin (and their ties to China's government), well, suck it up. And if you want to use Twitter/X, then you must accept Musk and his spontaneous mood swings.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 23:14:19 JST David Boles

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     @hackerfactor @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware

     You have to start all over again when you change Mastodon servers. Your previous messages don't travel with you and they never will. Few people know that when they sign up. That's a problem!

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 23:14:20 JST David Boles

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     @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware

     But Mastodon is run by one person. Your server Admin. Get on the wrong server, you might now see half the stuff available because it's being blocked.

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     David Boles (david@boles.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 23:23:55 JST David Boles

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     @BeAware @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter

     Make sure you delete your Threads account! I keep getting prompted to follow you even though I know you quit.

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     Udo B. (udob@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 23:29:12 JST Udo B.

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     @david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware according to https://fediverse.one/display/fdc30534-2766-2e54-bdbb-959060800589 #Mastodon is run by 22.000 admins. "Threads" being only one of them...

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 23:33:14 JST Aida Akl

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     @david @hackerfactor @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware You can migrate your account and follows, but it's a hassle. And to be honest, it's why I haven't migrated from this server, which has recurring tech issues, even as we speak.

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     Aida Akl (aakl@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 23:42:22 JST Aida Akl

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     @david @hackerfactor @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware The bottom line, which I realized when I moved here, is that adopting Mastodon requires a mental shift from the old commercial mindset. Some people haven't been able or have been unwilling to do that because it cost them their audience. Everything is give and take. It depends on what you are more comfortable with.