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   Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Apr-2024 02:44:14 JST Sick Sun
   wow, an X11 vs Wayland thread that ended with helpful advice and didn't turn into a flame war immediately.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Apr-2024 02:45:11 JST Sick Sun

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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @meso @sun it's basically just culture war nonsense, technical arguments exist on each side but they're almost never used
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     @sun i dont understand why people unironically argue about it like it's some political debate. i just use wayland because its less buggy for me and i really like the wm i use. people argue about it so passionately and make up such arguments and so many personal attacks and like nigga just use whatever you want
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     @allison @sun there's some very ardent and passionate X11 defenders and the ones ive met are really stupid. it seems they just don't want change and think it's being forced on them or something like that and then build arguments on top of that initial desire instead of just saying "i dont wanna switch"
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @allison @sun those ones dont really know what theyre talking about usually
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @allison @sun ive indulged in unironic wayland/x11 arguments iirc (maybe not though) but thats only because trolling dushman so much blurred the line of what i actually give a shit about in my head
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Apr-2024 02:53:25 JST Sick Sun

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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @allison @meso this is only true because wayland got better.
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @sun @meso Valve getting involved and bankrolling both KDE and wlroots was a real turning point
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @meso @allison this thread is dangerously close to turning into the flame war that the other thread avoided.
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     @sun @allison the lacking features meme is pretty stupid. protocol is pretty small and extensible so wlroots is about 60k sloc. The only thing stopping some protocol extensions from being added is the incredibly bureaucratic losers at freedesktop who maintain those repos. workspaces ext has been in merge hell for 3 years iirc i dont know if they merged it but my compositor has workspaces support since I asked for it, unfortunately panels can't show which workspace you're on because there's no standard to agree on between the compositor and the bar. Total Freedesktop Death.
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @sun @allison All of wayland's flaws come from FedHat-associated faggots, I hate RedHat so unbelievably much
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @meso @allison All I'll say is that Wayland developers would say stupid shit like "nobody uses remote X" and it's like, well, I've been using it since 2001 professionally, I was using it in the 2000s, and during COVID I used it every single day. There are tools for remote Wayland now, I didn't even expect it on day one but I didn't appreciate being told to fuck off.
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @meso @allison there are other things but I'm choosing to not re-litigate them because there's no point. Wayland works good enough to replace X now except for a few applications which is a great place to be.
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @sun @meso For my part, I'm just glad there's interesting things happening in the display server space again, and that unlike the 90s, both major contenders are actually FOSS
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @pro @allison @meso Remote X is only tolerable with a caching proxy.
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @sun @allison @meso The only thing that makes remote X workable is ssh -Y. But even with that, I would go to significant lengths in order to avoid it (like running VMs or port-forward for Vinagre SPICE on 5390).
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @sun @pro @meso I remember seeing my dad use remote X over a 56k connection once back in the late 2000s, it was not pretty
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @allison @pro @meso it worked better when everything was like athena toolkit where the widgets were just lines and shapes but modern desktops are pushing bitmaps constantly.
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @sun @pro @meso Yeah and like in fairness the desktop on the other end was CDE (as shipped by HP-UX) using mostly Motif and Athena type programs so it definitely wasn't as bad as it could have been
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     • meso [netzsphaere era]
     @sun @allison @meso Remember that X11R5 and earlier relied on server-side rendering heavily. But all the text is done by client now, with e.g. Xft2. So you see these bitmaps pushed even in terminal emulators.
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