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   Darth ŠČ! ✞ (darth@silversword.online)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 18:18:56 JST Darth ŠČ! ✞

   Do you consider borrowing #VideoGames the same as pirating them? If not, then what do you think the negative effect of pirating is?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 18:18:53 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @darth When you borrow only one person can play the game at a time .So it doesnt take away from sales. When people pirate there is no such limitation and thus discourages purchases.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 18:31:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @darth

     There is a difference between is it bad (a moral question) and if there is a negative effect (a functional one)...

     There is clearly a negative effect for those trying to sell games. Whether it is moral or not is far more complicated and is a matter of varrying degrees..

     Morality aside some of the negative effects that result from a culture of pirating:
     1) People are less incentivized to create good games since they cant make as much profit off of it.
     2) When games are made they need to use heavy DRMs that punish the people willing to legitimately pay for it.
     3) Job loss

     A moral judgement would have to weigh the good of giving someone a game to play and some enjoyment, vs these negative effects.

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     Darth ŠČ! ✞ (darth@silversword.online)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 18:31:27 JST Darth ŠČ! ✞

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo I would expect no less based an answer from you. :drake_like:

     I know a lot of people who say pirating is bad because people lose jobs because of that, and the company earns significantly less money... The very same people are okay with borrowing and even finding the best 2nd hand deal so they can finish the game fast and sell it for slightly more than they bought it for.

     So, although I will always be pro-legal way of doing things, I can't quite wrap my head around my initial question.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 18:41:40 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • David Honess

     @davespice

     Depends on the game. There are plenty of super old games still being sold and making money off of that have been refreshed for new platforms (even with no visual changes).

     Now i know there is some abandonware that hasnt been sold in decades, but I would image the idea is that at some point someone might revive them but if the games are free then they loose that opportunity.

     @darth

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     David Honess (davespice@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 18:41:45 JST David Honess

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @darth I agree with that statement, however what I don't get is when companies who released games 20 years ago try to clamp down on people sharing them as abandon ware. That really is a victimless crime because the game is not on sale anymore. If someone is selling copies of abandon ware though that is a different matter. They're profiting from someone else's work.