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Is being gay really that different to being straight?
Maybe that question will offend some people but I genuinely don't know because I don't separate the two in my mind that much.
I know there is more prosecution and there used to be a bigger scene for the first because of that taboo aspect, and with the second the relationship can be taken further by having children together and how the dynamic changes there.
But otherwise I wonder if we big these things up as being more different than they are?
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@sim no, I don't think it is! I thought the overall goal of gay movements was to make it so it is seen as normal. you can find out your neighbor is gay, and it's just not a big deal, because the whole point is that gays and bis and straights are all just people trying to do their own thing in life. :cirno_shrug: or maybe I misunderstood lol, but I thought the end goal was always that it wasn't supposed to be this all-defining trait
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@dommymommy @sim yeah there's like the assimilationist current in LGBT movements and then there's the visibility at all costs current, former is a lot more prevalent but latter is more visible, thus setting the narrative for what the public sees as LGBT (although even then it's usually the moderates that are most prominent, fringe movements mostly commiserate amongst themselves)
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@sim @dommymommy The moderates of that current, yes. Basically because the radicals threaten their core interests and the assimilationists don't represent a viable market for them.
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@allison @dommymommy It's interesting that it seems corporates make the visibility at all costs current more visible, isn't it? That seems to be where the funding is at.
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@sim @dommymommy Yeah for the most part they just act like the rest of the market, thus there really isn't a point in singling them out.
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@allison @dommymommy I wonder what it would take for the assimilationists to represent a viable market? Or maybe it wouldn't matter so much because you don't really have to change for them?
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@allison @dommymommy That's a good point. Although I will say that sometimes it is nice to see characters in stories that happen to be LGBT. I just don't want that to be their defining trait or to have bad writing attached to it. They still need a character arc that we can relate with.
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@sim @allison @dommymommy
the difference between "assimilationist current " and "visibility at all costs current" (good names for these, btw) is idpol.
"visibility at all costs" makes money, pushes political activism (of the cultural marxist kind), subjugates a minority to activists who claim to represent them, and creates a dipole:
Rubbing "pride" in everyone's faces is designed to create resentment toward gay people. Associating "queer" and pedo with gay also does this. Creating anti-gay sentiment is useful for LGBT activists as they can point to it and say "you need us!". Everything becomes pro-gay and anti-gay, with nothing in-between (dipole). This is great for making money and pushing for marxism via societal collapse, but terrible for actual gay people. It was never about gay people, it was always about social justice (the revolution).
>Although I will say that sometimes it is nice to see characters in stories that happen to be LGBT. I just don't want that to be their defining trait or to have bad writing attached to it.
Exactly this. Gay isn't a personality, the same way skin color isn't. Gay people aren't one-dimensional caricatures. But for idpol activism it is and they are, which is part of why woke writing sucks.
Contrast this to "assimilationist", which is the actual desireable outcome of gay rights. It's just not profitable for grifters, nor useful for collapsing countries, so it doesn't get the same funding.
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