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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 08:19:43 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   My top 3 criteria for picking who I vote for this year will be:

   1) Is not Biden
   2) Is not Trump
   3) Of whoever is left, the most honest, compassionate, and least racist/sexist choice.

   #USPol #Biden #Trump #MAGA

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 08:25:10 JST iced depresso

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     @freemo write in quinn 2024
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     @icedquinn I did that last year and was very disappointed with the results.. might switch it up this year, we will see :)

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     @freemo Are you planning on running for President?

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     @olives

     Yes I am planning on running from presidents.

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     Louis Ingenthron (louisingenthron@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 08:52:52 JST Louis Ingenthron

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     @freemo Why even leave the house to vote then?

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     @LouisIngenthron

     I would say the same about voting for a major party. In not a single election would your vote have changed the outcome, ever. So why do it?

     Moreover, if we just look at the significance of your vote, you are a larger percentage of the vote when voting for a third party than when voting for a primary party. Something on the order of 50x **more** impactful when voting for a third party than a primary party in percentage of the vote you account for.

     Moreover while not winning or winning for a primary has little effect from your vote, with a third party even loosing has a positive outcome. By swinging the % higher (which you do wtih 50x more effect) you are sending a message even when you loose by raising the % enabling third-party more likely access, exposure, and chance to win in the future.

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     Louis Ingenthron (louisingenthron@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 09:01:44 JST Louis Ingenthron

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     @freemo The significance of a vote for a candidate that cannot win is zero.

     So, a vote for one of the main parties is, by definition, more significant, even if it's literally one in a hundred million.

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     @LouisIngenthron

     > The significance of a vote for a candidate that cannot win is zero.

     That isnt the reality, and is a oversimplification to game the system.

     You can argue it has a much LOWER chance of winning. but not 0... Based on historical data the chance of a third-party candidate winning an election or coming in second place (and thus becoming a primary party in the future) in any one year is ~7% , something like 3% for the chance of actually winning.

     That isnt 0, it is low. But pushing for something with a low chance, that is far better for everyone, and having 50x the impact in doing so Is a very good trade IMO.

     Also, what is the point of voting for a primary candidate when your chance of your vote having **any** meaning at all is 0.00000001%.. not voting would have no impact of any kind, so why bother, where voting third party has a 50x impact and even when loosing that impact has quantifiable gains (unlike with the major party).

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     Louis Ingenthron (louisingenthron@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 09:11:29 JST Louis Ingenthron

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     @freemo That 3% is an average driven entirely by major outliers. The bottom line is, without the right combination of external conditions in place, the possibility of a third party finishing first in a FPTP system is effectively zero.

     Primaries have different systems, but those that are FPTP do have the exact same dynamics I described above.

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     @LouisIngenthron

     > That 3% is an average driven entirely by major outliers.

     So? Its still the reality chance of it happening, 0 is not. Full stop.

     > The bottom line is, without the right combination of external conditions in place, the possibility of a third party finishing first in a FPTP system is effectively zero.

     Yup, and the chance of those conditions existing in any one year, and you personally making a significant impact to allow that to happen is statistically **hugely** more likely if you vote for a third party than a primary. Primary the chance of your vote making a difference is many orders of magnitude lower than when voting for a third party.

     So again regardless of who wins, why would anyone bother to vote for a third party when their vote makes no difference at all? When with a third party it does, at many orders of magnitude higher. Isnt the point of voting to make a positive difference?

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     Louis Ingenthron (louisingenthron@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 09:23:16 JST Louis Ingenthron

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     > So? Its still the reality chance of it happening, 0 is not. Full stop.

     In a vacuum, sure. But in the real world, we can look around and see that those external factors are not present this year.

     > Isnt the point of voting to make a positive difference?

     No, it's to reduce harm. And by throwing away your vote for an impossible candidate, you give up your opportunity to reduce harm.

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     @LouisIngenthron Incorrect.. in fact not only are the factors present (a great deal of dissasifaction with major parties, and each party acting acts its majorieis primary ideals and interests)... but more importantly as I've covered before third-party take overs always happen suddenly and unexpectedly. They were **always** <1% support before the election and switch to a majority support over the course of only a single election.

     > No, it's to reduce harm. And by throwing away your vote for an impossible candidate, you give up your opportunity to reduce harm.

     How can you reduce harm if your vote has absolutely no impact on the outcome of any kind? Cant reduce harm if your screaming into the wind doing nothing.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron Not to forget gerrymandering. So sorry to see what you have to deal with.

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     @freemo *dionysos*: like this?
     https://literallyanybodyelse.com/

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     • Louis Ingenthron

     @freemo @LouisIngenthron You do realize you are arguing for anarchy and human cooperation here? Over people having power over others?

     Agreeing would mean just that, only talking to each other free of any state or authority could help.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     Anarchy as a distilled idea would not have voting. I think you are thinking of libertarianism not anarchy.

     Yes I realize I lean most strongly towards libertarianism.

     Human cooperation is just a fancy word for democracy, which I also approve.

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     NOS :facebook: 🅰️ ®️ ✝️ U (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 10:47:41 JST NOS :facebook: 🅰️ ®️ ✝️ U

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron Libertarianism is strongly coopted by people trying to earn profit, not cooperate. Democracy is strongly coopted by people that are good at manipulating others.

     The question of cooperation is if people can communicate freely. That is currently not the case. You do need to account for manipulation.

     And anarchy is a slim slice of the topic, if an important one. It is often coopted by aggressive people, no aggression is ever anarchist. Just an excuse, then. Who works together with no force compelling, that is anarchist. If the force compelling arises, that is when anarchy breaks down and humans revert to their animal selves.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     Ideas cant be coopted.. thats like saying "being nice has been coopted by people trying to pretend to be nice by being evil, so you shouldnt proclaim you are nice!"... It makes no sense, you cant coopt ideas, full stop.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron Free speech means torturing turtles!

     Now, what did i just do? Would this mean anything if 90% of people would associate torturing turtles with free speach? Is what i just did different from what i described as coopting?

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     And if you then say "free speech has been coopted by turtle torturers" would be you perpetuating their agenda.

     @LouisIngenthron

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron Exactly. Speaking lies has an effect.
     This effect is working now, any many words are regarded as something else than intended.

     Which is why free speech and communication are important. Clear up the lies. They will not go away on their own.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     Of course speaking lies has an effect. Which is why you shouldnt perpetuate those lies and give them power by claiming such lies coopt an ideology. In doing so is what causes those lies to coopt the ideology. By not speaking of it and let it be ignored those ideas dont get spread.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron So you say ignoring lies is more powerful than clearing up what you meant, to specify?

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron Look, all i mean to say is anarchy means people working together. As soon as anyone asserts dominance, it is not anarchy anymore. It's in the definition...

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     No im saying amplifying lies is free advertising for lies, so it causes small lies to snowball into big ones not from the people telling the lies, but from the good people advertising them in a vain attempt to control the narrative, paradoxically allowing the liers to ultimately control the narrative as a result.

     What you should do is address the liers at the source, when you hear the lies you call it out to the people lieing and those around. What you dont do is after the fact announce the lies to everyone else, giving those lies exposure and amplifying them.

     @LouisIngenthron

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron You are right in the arena you set, but i was talking about lies that are in circulation for a long time - completely different thing.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     No anarchy doesnt mean people working together.. it means the people who want to work together will, the people who want to rape kill and still and cause chaos also will. Anarchy is just capitalism in ideologically pure form (unregulated markets to the extreme) and nothing else.

     Libertarianism, which is not anarchy, is the only thing that means working together while allowing the maximum individual freedom.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron I shall take your advice and not perpetuate this.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     Glad to hear it, and honestly I can probably due to take my own advice on this more as well

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     The effect is just as relevant after they have been in circulation a long time. Afterall the goal is to reverse those lies and seek a state of truth again no matter how far gone it may be... You only do that by dismissing the lies, not amplifying them, and amplifying the truth to restore sanity.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron We all struggle. It's a good thing.

     Only bad thing i see is probably something we would disagree on. People maximizing a number without regard to its significance.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron The difference is if it is established, ignoring it will not make it go away anymore. You need to take action or accept it then.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     No we agree on that. My solution is to create a system where the significance of the number becomes more impactful and known so as to ensure there is strong penalties for anyone who blindly increases the number without understanding its significance

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron You are not clear on what the number is.

     The number i see is money. I think this is misleading and not fulfilling.

     One could try to create a number on human fulfillment. I have not seen anyone really try.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     Of course it will still make it go away. I mean when the lies started before the first lie the truth was 100% of the narrative. Despite this the lie being told and amplied caused the truth to "go away" (dwindle to a small minority)... So if lies can replace truth that is well established through these mechanisms why then can not the reverse be true? That once the lies dominate truth, if properly amplified, can cause the lies to go away?

     Most processes in life are symmetrical, one thing we particularly struggle to understand in psychological contexts but is equally true.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     I was perfectly clear on what the number is and knew before you said it what you meant...

     You arent exactly subtle with your opinions dude :) lol

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron If what you say was true, there wouls still be a need to establish the counter narrative, thus a need to discuss it.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     No all you need to do is the exact thing that got the lies established... you scream and yell and talk about the truth, and dont put any attention on the lies... Let the truth be as notable, if not more notable, than the lies... thats all.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron I misht not be sububtle, but you sure are. I still have no idea what number you mean.

     It it was money, you would be stupid, as that is what i talked about. You are not stupid, so what is it? Very confused right now.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron If i was able to do that, it would not be a problem - what exactly do you propose to do to make the truth more notable?

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     I am not just subtle I am damn cryptic, and that is intentional. Telling people what I think wont do much good... leading people ona journey together where what I think is discovered through question, inquiry, and debate will. The problem is this requires the active contribution of the other party which rarely is the case as most people are looking to win, not explore.

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     @AncientGood Im voting for a generic brand this election :)

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     @freemo lol, political version of "No Name" brand :'D

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron A generally good idea, but i think we lost the plot a bit here ^^

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     The idea that there was ever a plot to begin with is the illusion :) The only plot here was to learn something, and I'd say we did that quite nicely.

     @LouisIngenthron

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron It was a nice bout to be had. I searched for trolls on federated, i ended up bouting you directly. Probably better that way, the trolls get boring quickly with their obvious insecurities.

     Until another day, it was nice!

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     I am certainly a troll, but at least im a wise troll :)

     @LouisIngenthron

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron You are not a boring troll, i will give you that. There is a reason i talk to you, as i suspect there is a reason you talk to me.

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     @admitsWrongIfProven

     I talk to you becuase you talk.. you may not agree with my points, but you respond to them rather than responding to what you want to hear...

     My bar for enjoyable interaction is quite low to be honest, not saying your on the low end of the spectrum, just saying, with the idiocy in society these days it is not remotely hard to stand out as a person worth interacting with... you basically just need to have 2 brain cells to rub together :)

     @LouisIngenthron

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     @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Actually, it's pretty easy. Just ask if they believe in an age of consent. 😂

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     @LouisIngenthron @freemo Hard to tell those apart...

     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 repeated this.
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     @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo There's a difference between libertarianism with a small 'l' that stands for small government that works for everyone, and Libertarians with a big 'L' that are just far-right authoritarian stooges who took over the national party.

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     @LouisIngenthron

     So true, the party is loony tunes, the principles not too horrible for many things

     @admitsWrongIfProven

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     @freemo Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that every time a party has ascended in such a fashion, it had already established its viability by establishing a number of wins in downballot elections, right (or it was just a reformation of a previously proven-viable party).

     I don't think that any have come out of nowhere to win, like they'd have to this year.

     >How can you reduce harm if your vote has absolutely no impact on the outcome of any kind? Cant reduce harm if your screaming into the wind doing nothing.

     But it does have impact. My vote is one of many that determine where the electoral votes go. Therefore, voting against the greater harm is a moral imperative, and the most effective way to do so is to vote for the only other viable candidate.

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     @LouisIngenthron Nope not at all. For example the bull moose party (also called progressive party but seperate from democrats) replaced republicans for one election as the second major party. They had no representation at the time in congress or presidential, yet in one election they took over majority from republicans and began winning congress with no prior support.

     This is the one example of a third party that disapeared shortly after. Other parties hiwever with a similar pattern in the past took over and kept control pushi g out one of tbe two main parties.

     What your missing is FPTP voting makes it haplen this way, take kvver happens abruptly with no warning and shoots to majority almost overnigght. This is due to coalition effects.

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     @freemo FWIW, my comments above apply *only* to electoral college votes.

     When it comes to congressional seats or other downballot elections, a third party vote is *much* more viable and is not a throwaway.

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     @LouisIngenthron

     Id argue the opposite. Once its actually possible to win your vote means less since your part of a larger majority and thus your vote is a smaller percentage and smaller effect.

     You have more impact supporting small parties unlikely to win than supporting larger parties more likely to win.

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     @freemo If the party is unlikely to win, but a win is *viable*, then I'd agree with you.

     The key is not whether they have *any* chance, but a *viable* chance. A viable chance may be worth betting on. But a vote for a nonviable candidate is a waste, imo.

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     @ostapkobender

     Yup i agree. The choice is between a racist old coot with dementia and a racist old coot who is a moron. What a choice.

     Putin isnt any better, though im not sure if he is that much worse either to be honest.

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     @freemo it’s a crazy old man vs a demented old man. Either will quit in 4 years.
     Back in Russia we have a crazy demented usurper who is going to rule until he dies unless something happens. Now that’s a problem.

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     @AncientGood

     He literally was fou d to run an elaborate and intentional scheme, from the top, to keep minorities, especially blacks, from being able to rent from any of this properties.

     Even if we just look at this one example among many it is undeniable he is a racist.

     @ostapkobender

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     @freemo to be fair, I don't really see how Trump is a racist, he is a moron maybe, a narcissist, but generally not really racist

     @ostapkobender

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     @freemo @olives I might just be stupid but I'd be curious what pen they like the most.

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     @AmpBenzScientist @olives

     Pen?

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven It only seems crazy because it would be actual freedom and jerking it to Regan. Legalize all drugs, full auto, no ATF and abortions available on demand.

     If I'm a man and can stand my ground, my woman should be able to stand her ground by having an abortion too. The world doesn't need more people like me and to have to put up with the horror of carrying that is inhumane.

     A Driver's License should include motorcycles by default. The DCMA should go away. Religious marriages shouldn't be respected, it was likely coerced. Vaccine mandates shouldn't exist, let people die how they want. Having sex with a patient should be okay, it doesn't get much safer than that.

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     @AmpBenzScientist @LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven

     Ill just leave this here.

     https://youtu.be/ZITP93pqtdQ?si=dpBx2deIb64lfqAJ

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     I mean ill pick damn near anyone over Biden and Trump, but god I hope I have better choices than that conspiracy theorist nut case...

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     You ain't voting for #RFK?
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     Ill have to see where the numbers are closer to election. If he stands a real chance and there is nothing better maybe... but honestly im not sure he is muvlch of an improvement

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     I mean...it's less about him and more about what he represents: a shot at breaking the two party system
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     @realcaseyrollins @freemo he's exceptionally more well read than i am
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     @freemo @freemo
     #RFK vs. @icedquinn debate when
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     @realcaseyrollins @freemo though if you want to break the duopoly what you need to attack is first past the post. either with range voting or majority judgement if you don't care about later no harm and majority rule. instant runoff if you do.
     
     this actually doesn't make things better, though, because places with more democracy are still prone to doing what the WEF tells them.
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     @s8n @freemo @realcaseyrollins in practice that proof is irrelevant; they are more fair than the ones we started with, but normal people are evil so the benefit ends up also being irrelevant
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     @icedquinn @freemo @realcaseyrollins kenneth arrow proved no election is ever fair so might as well just appoint a dictator for life or just execute the ruling class every 100 years
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     @freemo @olives The PEN IS mightier than the sword.

     All jokes aside, I keep a Zebra F-701 and F-401 with ultra fine black carts. Those are for Mathematics. I keep M-301s for dragging graphite rods against an abrasive surface. A Permanent Marker is a must and I only use the large one to accidentally write on a whiteboard. (Professors think it's magic when they see Expo solvent remove it.)

     I also keep a G2 ultra bold black, 1.0mm I believe, that's for Hanzi. Anything other than that pen and I will mess up the strokes. A Fountain Pen is something I love to hate. I have several Cross Pens but I don't like fancy mediocrity, it's a cod piece of a pen. Parker Pens feel a little better in my experience but Zebra has really black ink and the heavier F-701 just glides across paper. It's also not a weapon and the knurled steel grip is the only acceptable grip.

     A pen is a tool and every tool has a specific use. If someone doesn't have a preference in pens, perhaps it's because they don't write often.

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     @freemo @LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven It would be nice to try a secretary out before hiring too but that just sounds sexist and creepy as hell. Unless the genders are swapped, it is not tolerable in modern society.