myrmepropagandist
@tob @sidereal @alloydflanagan @hazelnot
Really unless you want to try to argue that Biden isn't a centrist I don't see what we have to talk about here? He is a centrist who is out of step with vast portions of his party and he's doing his best to keep up. That isn't ideal for leadership.
Student loans is another issue. He has, slowly and painfully done a great deal to keep his promise. All while almost acting embarrassed about doing it so much that many people think it didn't happen.
Tom Bellin :picardfacepalm:
@futurebird @sidereal @alloydflanagan @hazelnot On the one hand, you're describing how representative democracy is supposed to work.
On the other hand, Biden seems pretty unequivocal about the need to raise taxes on the highest earners and corporations.
It's kinda funny to me that you're replying to someone who says that Biden "busts the rail workers' unions" when he... didn't? He got them the deal they wanted without a strike that would have hurt (literally) everyone.
myrmepropagandist
@sidereal @alloydflanagan @hazelnot
Well... Biden is a centrist, if not right leaning and he has no interest in doing left wing things. He's been dragged kicking and screaming to do the few good things he has by "political realities"
Did you know they have a poll that shows that if Biden talked more about "taxing the rich" etc. he'd go up like 5 points in polls? They know. But ... that part of the Democratic party would rather not. Their ONLY redeeming quality is that they might... half way.
sidereal
@futurebird @alloydflanagan @hazelnot This is why I've been saying for years now that the Democrats aren't gaining anything by attempting to meet the Republicans halfway on any issue.
They scream and call Biden a communist while he busts the rail workers' unions. It's absurd. Biden could try to pass actual communist policies, and he would apparently get the exact same amount of pushback. So why not? What is he getting out of "cooperating" with people who won't cooperate back?
myrmepropagandist
The 2nd issue is most Americans have a vastly truncated political perspective. "Communism" means the same thing as "left."
This is in part the fault of us media which has for decades only given air to a very limited spectrum of ideas. And when people felt constrained by the sameness of their options they have opened the escape valve on the right ONLY.
Because they know the OTHER escape valve leads to social democracy and the end of the wealth gap.
A Lloyd Flanagan
@hazelnot @futurebird
> “literally no difference between neoliberalism and communism “
I can’t figure out whether conservatives who say stuff like this misunderstand liberalism, or communism, or just don’t care. Help a guy out and tell me?
hazelnot :yell:
@futurebird yeah but he has a show on MSNBC and we all know that there is literally no difference between neoliberalism and communism
myrmepropagandist
"You'd expect this from Joe Scarborough he's a far left opinion commentator."
-Fox Anchor
Joe Scarborough served as a Republican in the FL house. And ... as a member of the far left I'm deeply insulted. As I think Joe would be too. We are in crazy town.
"far left"
sidereal
@futurebird @jakemiller @alloydflanagan @hazelnot This is why I was glad that Biden didn't run in 2016 and was so irritated that he did run in 2020. Biden was a conservative compromise candidate... in 2008. It's not like his politics have gotten better since then.
I don't think Biden is going to stop American fascism. I worry he's just making it more palatable for democrats.
myrmepropagandist
@jakemiller @sidereal @alloydflanagan @hazelnot
I've been paying attention to Biden since he was a senator and I have no idea where you're getting any of this.
You know he's historically just barely even pro-choice right? He was picked by Obama as VP due to the perception that Obama was "very left" (Obama wasn't) Biden was a solidly moderate Democrat *in a time when Democrats were generally more right leaning than they are now.*
And on Israel he's way out of step.
Look at his record.
Jake Miller
@futurebird @sidereal @alloydflanagan @hazelnot My take is that Biden is a centrist *in process* and center-left (at least) in personal policy preference. And where a lot of discourse is about him being pressured into certain good policies, I see those “pressuring actions” as providing him cover to enact those policies while holding the coalition together. And while he needs to mobilize the left, drawing swing voters is also critical.
💡𝚂𝗆𝖺𝗋𝗍𝗆𝖺𝗇 𝙰𝗉𝗉𝗌📱
@futurebird
Is "far left" the new "Socialist"? 😂
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