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>every 5 years overseas holiday
the singaporean middle class standard is 2-3 overseas holidays a year :acat_coming:
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@cell that’s why Singapore is a 0th world country
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@cell we didn't have an annual family road trip and we never had an overseas holiday, and I had to pay for most of my university and I had student loans into my 30s
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@Moon @cell you did better later in life
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@lain @cell sure I just think they are overestimating how well off the middle class was (just a bit)
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@Moon @cell yeah, I think a lot is divide et impera stuff trying to break inter generational bonds, but of course young people have less than old people (nb: Tom sowell claims that the age difference between the average black and white American explains a lot of the differences in wealth and crime, I.e. if you control for age things look much more equal)
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@lain eh i feel with standards of living you can’t really compare it apples to apples
strong currency means travel and electronics are cheaper but smol space means housing and cars are much more expensive and unaffordable
my friends back home tend to live in nice houses and drive(tm) but me in dinky little flat can afford to go overseas more often and don’t have to jump through hoops for imported goods
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@feld @lain @cell the home alone house is like a five million dollar house.
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@Moon @lain @cell "every 5 years overseas holiday" sounds pretty close to what I remember growing up tbh. But it was "upper middle class" families that did that. I was always blown away to hear someone took THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY to Paris, for example. My parents couldn't even afford a flight for us kids to Florida at the time.
A lot of people talking about this like it was some standard American experience are wearing Rose Tinted Glasses also known as 80s/90s Hollywood Films such as Home Alone and National Lampoon's European Vacation
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@feld @lain @cell @Moon My parents would drive us down to California to go to Disneyland because flights were too expensive.
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@feld @lain @cell I read a thing that said it was a 620K house in 1990 which would have taken a salary of 175K to afford (1990 175K which is insane)
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@Moon @lain @cell I don't know what the real interior of that house was like but the movie set was built in a swimming pool in a school lol
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@tk @lain @cell @Moon the furthest trips I went on as a kid was driving (from Wisconsin) to South Dakota, Nebraska, and the west side of Michigan on the lake -- we took the ferry across the lake.
We couldn't afford to fly. It was as far as we could drive in a reasonable amount of time and my parents could still make it back for work.
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@feld @tk @lain @cell we did go on road trips it just wasn't across the country every single year. we never flew for a trip, ever, not even once.
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@feld @tk @lain @cell my family took a road trip to yellowstone one year, that was the biggest trip we ever took
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@Moon @tk @lain @cell my friend’s dad was one of those nuts that could do 24hr drives nonstop so they’d go to Florida
I went to Orlando once when I was in highschool because my mom’s boss paid for our stay at a hotel near their business convention thing. Allegedly when I was a baby my uncle paid for us to visit them in Charlotte. Wasn’t until after I was an independent adult that I went out of the country (Italy with my wife)
Shit, I was too broke in 2013 to go to Hawaii and @SlicerDicer helped us out so we could come hang out
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Or just don't have children 🥂 *DINK*
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@feld @Moon @tk @lain @cell Was glad to have you visit.
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