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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 06:45:17 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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   @toiletpaper

   There was no doubt an element of harmful hysteria. But to try to claim it as some evil conspiracy theory to sell some new tech of vaccines is a pretty absurd claim as well, just as bad if not worse than the hysteria.

   @skaly

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 10:12:35 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     Less of a conspiracy and more people just acting a fool... But yea, there were plenty of pretty dodgy actions in the response because everyones paranoia was cranked up to 11 with the fear mongering as is usually the case, doubly so when someone becomes political.

     So yea, agreed to some extent there.

     @skaly @toiletpaper

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 10:12:36 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo @skaly @freemo @toiletpaper @skaly
     The true conspiracy was in the response, not in the virus itself.
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:16:57 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     > The vaxxmaxxers and alarmists who persisted after that initial period despite the mortality data...

     LOL, dont tell me you you bought into that conspiracy theory nonsense about the vaccines being dangerous and there being meaningful "mortality data"? Please tell me I am just misreading what you said...

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:16:59 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo Well IDK. The caution made sense at first, it was something new and we didn't know what it was. The vaxxmaxxers and alarmists who persisted after that initial period despite the mortality data were generally after power, money, or both. Most went along with what they said because they did not want to be scorned or fired. I wouldn't necessarily view anyone involved with this types of behaviors as "fools".
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:20:40 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     Orn it just means i have nothing of interest or note to say about your main point.

     I wasnt aware the subject was fixed and had to be maintained at the cost of all other conversation. That seems like a rather strange way to operate, I usually prefer conversations to evolve naturally and discuss the points of interest, particularly if the point of your statement has nothing worth pointing out in its own right.

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:20:41 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     I'm a bit surprised that that was your takeaway from my response, that wasn't even the point of my reply. It sounds like you're trying to change the subject here for some reason.
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:22:21 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     A donkey raped me on my way to the pinnacle to watch the sunset. Once I got there it was a beautiful deep red sunset....

     So we cant point out the donkey raping you because the point of the statement was to mention the sunset? We have to force ourselves to remark on the less interesting sunset that doesnt seem to have much value discussing rather than the donkey raping you, which may be of actual interest to me?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:38:49 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     Undisclosed? How so? Those risks are all perfectly disclosed, well identified, real, and known. They are extremely rare, but real, and the people who are at highest risk are no longer given the vaccine and other vaccines are preferred. All handled exactly how it should have been, nothing undisclosed about it. They literally changed the administration protocols just to be even more safe than they needed to be.

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:38:50 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo Haha fair enough

     With the vaxx stuff, I’m kinda fuzzy on it. I don’t know if there have been a lot of large-scale studies on connections between the #mRNA #COVID19 vaccines and myocarditis, blood clots, etc., but from what I can tell, there are some undisclosed risks of dangerous blood clots for healthy people who get the vaccines. I don’t know what level that risk is, which is why I don’t call them dangerous (I call them “experimental”, as launching #mRNA vaccines of this scale is unheard of and unprecedented).

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:43:11 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     There have been studies on the risks you mentioned for years now. It was studies done by the scientific community and the changes in protocol made that is how we know about it at all. Do you think the conspiracy theorists figured it out and scientists went "oh we should study this thing the flat earthers all keep saying about our vaccines"... lol... nah, the scientists found it on their own, announced it, did studies, changed protocols, all on a very very low risk event out of an abundance of caution.. then the conspiracy theoriests took it and went "seeeeeeeeeee its not safe after all!".

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:43:12 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo I didn’t know that studies had come out quantifying all the risks (there might be a study about #myocarditis I forget), but then again it’s been a year or two since I’ve studied any #COVID19 data seriously. It doesn’t really matter much anymore since the virus has mutated into something far weaker at this point.

     What is the quantified risk of blood clots from #mRNA #COVID19 vaccines?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:45:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     It varies depending on vaccine, but fir mRNA COVID-19 vaccine here is a more recent study with fairly accurate numbers.

     The mycarditis and bloodclots first showed up in studies much earlier however.

     The incidence is reported to be around 1 per 100,000 to 250,000 vaccine recipients,

     https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10400017/

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:46:00 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo What is the rate of risk? Where are the studies?

     These studies existing for years is news to me.

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     As for it existing for years… Pfizer for example announced the first risks in this regard April 2021, so about 3 years since they announced it. Of course you have to do studies first, so studies suggesting the risk were already availible sometimes before that, months to years.

     So yea we can safely say this stuff has been public for 3-4+ years now in studies and even admitted and published by Pfizer directly for at least 3 years.

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     @realcaseyrollins

     These numbers show extremely safe vaccines... one person out of a quarter million is insanely safe... Literally tylenol is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than numbers like this.

     Why wouldnt they parade around numbers that show such an extreme level of safety as these?

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 13:01:41 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo Nice. I had no idea, but I guess #Pfizer wasn’t exactly parading these numbers around when they and the #MSM were promoting the vaccines.

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     > The vaccines are safe” would probably stick better with the public than “there’s a 4 in 1 million chance that you’ll get #Thrombosis”

     Sure, but both these statements are just different phrasings of the same statement. They are just two different ways of saying it is safe. The reason the second one is less likely to be used is because most people wont understand what it means or that it is equivelant to saying its safe.

     To put it in to perspective your chance of being struck by lightening in your life time is 16x higher than your chance of getting myocarditis from a covid vaccine. It would literally make more sense to never leave your home again for fear it isnt safe from lightening than it would be to get the vaccine.

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 13:12:17 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo That’s a good question, but the #MSM repeatedly saying “the vaccines are safe” would probably stick better with the public than “there’s a 4 in 1 million chance that you’ll get #Thrombosis” lol

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins then they should waive their liability protection, including the extra special one they have on top of the general one. :neocat_woozy: