🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
As someone who almost always open-carries guns I must say, the one thing I dont like is how certain people assume your a republican or pro-trump when they see it. Today I had an experience with a tow truck driver who was overtly racist the whole ride home and I suspect its because he saw my gun and made some assumptions.
Pro-guns is probably the only topic where I align with the right at all really.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Free speech is a bit hairy.. In terms of legal free speech both sides seem to more or less support it.
When it comes to private speech people dont like and it is still legal to censor it without violating free speech then both sides seem to be ok censoring it when it aligns with their views.
I meant he right is also the side that bans books for example.
realcaseyrollins ✝️
Pro-guns is probably the only topic where I align with the right at all really.
You sure? You also support free speech.
Timo
@freemo That is obnoxious. we keep telling people that liberals have guns too. They don't seem to be listening.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yea. Though to be fair I do suspect liberals less often open-carry. But still its an obnoxious assumption for sure.
I generally would describe myself as left of center, but close to center. So not sure if that counts as a "liberal", but im certainly no conservative.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Can you give an example of a left-wing person suggesting we abolish the 1st amendment. I cant say ive ever heard someone on the left just straightup be against the legal definition of free speech.
Only way i can see the left being anti-free speech tends to revolve aroudn their "pro-ban anyone who disagrees with me from scoial media" mentality. But that has little relationship to the legal definition of free speech which offers no protection in a private setting.
Regardless if you agree with them on that my point is, their attacks tend to be against private freedom of speech, not the legal definition around public speech,.
realcaseyrollins ✝️
In terms of legal free speech both sides seem to more or less support it.
Not really, no. Where are all the pro free speech left wingers? I more often hear them calling right wingers stochastic terrorists for what they have to say than defending their first amendment rights.
I meant he right is also the side that bans books for example.
If you’re talking about the child porn in schools…that’s not exactly a bad thing, is it? I’m not even seeing right wingers saying that those books should be illegal, just that they don’t want their kids to see them in school libraries or to be part of their school curriculum.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Oh and to respond to your comment about "child porn" ... well no, some of the calls to ban books I can understand, but other books are quite mild and dont really fit that description.
Im not neccesarly saying either the left or the right's desire to censor certain speech is right or wrong. But my point is, both sides seem to want to censor the sort of private speech they dont like, and both sides seem to recognize and uphold legal free speech.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yea ill admit the right is a bit stronger on free speech than the left. Hate speech is a good point in that regard. I will admit the left is more likely to have a person suggest hate speech should be a crime, and that is less likely a statement to come from someone on the right.
That said I suspect a small minority of the left think people should be criminally guilty for speech alone that is not a direct call to violence.
That said, "We should kill all black people" is legit call to violence (and hate speech).. So there is a bit of a cross over. But yea non-calls to violence that are hate speech is the only place I think you might get a few liberals.
realcaseyrollins ✝️
@freemo These are good points I suppose…the anti free speech arguments I’ve heard from the left are that “hate speech isn’t free speech” and “hate speech is violence”, which frames “hate speech” as something that isn’t or should not be protected by the #1A from what I can tell.
Timo
@freemo regardless of definitions, there are a lot of non-MAGA home defense weapons out there.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
No doubt.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@realcaseyrollins I wouldnt say they are always on the left... For example I've heard people wanting to ban face covering, particularly of a Muslim variety. That would be anti-free speech and comes 100% from the right.
While I do admit the left is slightly more likely to be against free speech, specifically hate speech The leaning isnt particularly strong and generally I dont find either side is all that eager to end free speech, with some exceptions on both sides.
realcaseyrollins ✝️
That said I suspect a small minority of the left think people should be criminally guilty for speech alone that is not a direct call to violence.
We agree here. It’s like rape. Not all leftists hate the #1A, but the ones who do almost always are on the left (not a perfect analogy since we have the #Christian nationalists on the right but you get the idea)
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@realcaseyrollins yup agreed, the right is a bit stronger on free speech. But the difference isnt really that stark. A small minority on either side against it with it being slightly more common on the left.
realcaseyrollins ✝️
@freemo Certainly not always, but definitely more often than on the right.
iced depresso
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I actually would agree with you. But not just of the right but the left as well. Both seem to be fine throwing free speech out the window (and coming up for some excuse) when their ideals are pressed hard enough. For example see the rights tendency to ban books and the lefts tendency to silence voices in public forums (sometimes with violence or destructive acts).
iced depresso
realcaseyrollins ✝️
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Wait, huh. 85% of conservatives are Christian... why is it funny that the majority of the right likes the church?
iced depresso
iced depresso
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I was responding to caseys claim that conservatives liking the church was laughable... not sure what he meant by that with 85% conservative support for "the church".
iced depresso
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Oh so by the church he meant specifically the organized part of the religion separately... yea he might of meant that.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I'd kinda be curious to see what percentage of conservatives are christian vs christians who support their denominations church.
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