Mary625
Just saying
"Fifty years ago, on March 31, 1968, Lyndon B. Johnson appeared on national television and announced that he was partially halting the U.S. bombing of Vietnam, and that he had decided not to seek his party’s nomination for president. “There is division in the American house now,” Johnson declared."
https://www.history.com/news/lbj-exit-1968-presidential-race
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
If #Biden actually made a move like this and rejected his own party I would change my stance and actually consider voting for the guy. Though with Bidens extremely racist track record even then it would be a hard sell. But that would go a long long way to make me consider him.
On the flip side even if Trump pulled this he still wouldnt get my vote. But thats another matter.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I agree with this, I mean there is no way Trump could get me to vote for him, no recovering it. There are things biden can do (like apologize for his racism and show sincerity in that effort) but he never would, so looks like no **real** hope for Biden either.
A non-biden democratic nominee who I could begrudgingly support would be the best I can hope for at this point. Even the third party candidates arent looking so great right now (but still better than Biden or Trump).
Mary625
You couldn't pay me enough to vote for trump. There's not enough money in the world.
That orange pos, thanks to man, is way ahead in the polls. Biden needs to drop out now and let someone run who can beat trump. At this point, almost anyone else would be good.
Biden's ego is going to get us trump. Just like Hilary's did
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@Mary625 Its a world were people with good intentions are their own worst enemies. Most democrats, and even many republicans, are well intentioned. But they are so bogged down by idealism and dogma at the surface and fighting with people over being nuanced, that they turn into raging asshats most of the time on both sides. Which is just making things worse.
Mary625
Sad world we're living in.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Indeed his reaction to the war there exemplifies his immorality and racism, but it is hardly limited to that.
Owl! 🦉
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Good intentions can be twisted into very evil things at times. Intentions dont mean shit when your system of morality is so corrupted that you will make these sort of behaviors.. But i maintain that even these things, in their own twisted minds, are done because they believe they are serving some greater good (even if they clearly are not).
Mary625
I probably would have agreed with that assessment years ago. But the calls for death to immigrants from the GOP and the calls for death to Palestinians from some democrats makes me believe that even good intentions are gone from most of humanity.
It's sad af
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
If we were talkign about just some passing decision that has a slight racist tinge to it, sure. But we are talking about a man who centered his entire career around this racism, has said explicitly racist thigns, and has continued to be either explicitly racist or clearly a racist in stealth since then (he doesnt hide it well).
Owl! 🦉
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Remember a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for anyone who isnt Trump is also a vote for Trump... except Biden, he is the only person you can vote for without voting for Trump!
Mary625
And everything in the entire world that is wrong, or ever goes wrong, is always your fault if you vote third party!!! Never hold power accountable!
Dustin D. Wind
@freemo @Mary625 Just my two cents: Considering that the number of people who now identify as independent (i.e. "sick of both parties") already exceeded the number who identify with either dems or reps years ago…
and at this point, likely exceeds them both combined…
I think the only thing stopping a third party candidate from winning, is that too many of us listened for decades to corporate-owned media repeatedly telling us "Third parties can't win". 😏
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
100%, USA politics is just a professional en masse exercise in gaslighting.
Dustin D. Wind
@Mary625 @freemo Current shenanigans have made it more blatantly apparent than ever… the American political system is an abuser screaming at his bleeding spouse, "Look what you made me do!".
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
The fact that third-party vote pisses off both democrats AND republicans is a good enough reason on its own!
Dustin D. Wind
@Mary625 @freemo "So let me get this straight… if I vote for a third party, I'm voting for Trump?"
"Yeah! You damn Nazi racist MAGAt."
"But they say the same in reverse."
"Who cares what MAGAts say?"
"And (hopefully) the machine actually counts the vote for the third party."
"So?"
"So you're telling me to vote third party, since that means your vote counts three times as much?"
"… f🈲 you!"
"No thank you. 🤢 Wait… since I vote for third parties, does that mean you'd enjoy it three times as much?"
Mary625
😂😂
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
So the two party system hoax, is bore out but an illusion that does lend to this thinking, and it can be understood why.
In FPTP voting systems there is a strong tendency for each election for there to be at most 2 parties that collect most of the votes. What a FPTP system does not do is cause the same 2 parties to consistently win during each election.
But its an illusion because it is not reflection actually support from the people. They will vote for someone other than who they want as a compromise. Sot eh actual "real" support is usually wildly different than the public manifestation of support in the form of votes.
In other words if parties have A: 35% B: 33% C:32% in terms of peoples preferred candidate, what you will see is the actual vote will turn out to be A:51% B: 49% C: 2%
However the very next year if C gains 1% support and B looses 1% support then the very next year you will see a sudden shift in votes at A: 51% B: 2% C: 49%
So while there isnt **really** a two party system this illusion tends to make people thing it is. Then once they think it is it becomes self reinforcing people people are idiots.
Owl! 🦉
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
The world is the least dangerous as it ever has been... and yet people are scared to death of everything all the time..... That is a diseased state, plain and simple.
Mary625
🤗🤗🤗
This world is crueler now than any other time in my adult life. It's too much, too often, with no relief in sight
Dustin D. Wind
Dustin D. Wind
@Mary625 @freemo Thank you -- my mom's advice* of "Sometimes if you can't laugh you'll cry" has been one of the things keeping me sane through this madness, and I was hoping it wasn't just me who found the imaginary convo amusing. 🙃
(The closer I get to the cry end of the equation, the worse my humor gets as I strain to keep pretending it's all funny.)
* - and the wisdom of "Hawkeye" Pierce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUeBMwn_eYc
Mary625
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
Mary625
Hahaha 😂
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