@RMIV It has much worse side-effects than Adderall, doesn't make you nearly as focused, yet is widely available and commercialized to the point most people don't even realize it's a drug. Meanwhile better alternatives are federally illegal and highly regulated. I thought capitalism wants us to be productive. Doesn't make any sense.
@feld I refuse to believe the "ADHD brain" is somehow so different. No. Everybody who takes Adderall becomes smarter and more productive. It's just that 20mg might be way too much. Just put about 2mg per gallon into the water supply and watch people claw themselves out of poverty.
@feld@NonPlayableClown On the neurotransmitter level what does it do that's different between ADD and non-ADD brain? It prevents reuptake of something other than dopamine, or..?
@SlicerDicer@feld@NonPlayableClown Okay. So by your own admission it does not affect the brain different, it's just that a different quantity has a stronger or weaker effect person to person. This is a fact that is intrinsic and obvious that everybody already knew to be true about almost all drugs.
>> On the neurotransmitter level what does it do that's different between ADD and non-ADD brain? It prevents reuptake of something other than dopamine, or..?
based on my FMRI's at UC Davis and brain activity I have less transmitters than the average brain. That is what causes me to have less of a response to stimulation as compared to normal.
I have been extensively studied as I took part in what fundamental changes happen to the ADHD brain when they have done meth vs no meth use. That let me get free scans and testing :D
I can show you my brain if you want LOL
To be clear I have never done meth, so thats why I was one of the controls.
@SlicerDicer@feld@NonPlayableClown You're saying that your starting point is different on the sliding scale. Which is fine. But same is true for everyone.
>> Okay. So by your own admission it does not affect the brain different, it's just that a different quantity has a stronger or weaker effect person to person. This is a fact that is intrinsic and obvious that everybody already knew to be true about almost all drugs.
I do agree yes, depending on the person it is highly variable. However it is fundamentally a broken reward system. That means to achieve the same level of reward as the normal baseline human we need far more stimulation. That means bigger risks that translate to more reward. It is what leads to a dearth of bad behavior that you see among the ADHD population. To get that response without thinking things through people will engage in high risk sex, sports, financial games whatever.
I think that is the core that we need to address is how to identify and help the individuals cope with such problems in childhood instead of just labeling them problems.
@thegreatape@feld DARE taught the wrong thing. That all drugs are always bad. This is at odds with the narrative of society itself, with a Starbucks on every corner, billboards for beer, and prescription drugs that really do help people.
My viewpoint I developed in response to all this, after experiencing the productive powers of drugs in moderation, is that "drugs are tools." A car is dangerous, but it takes you from point A to point B. Care must be taken while driving. What you describe is the equivalent of drag racing. But just because people get in car crashes doesn't mean cars don't have positive utility to people and society. They should have taught us that drugs are tools to be used with care. CARE, not DARE.
@alex@feld idk about this, I used to abuse it pretty hard and it definitely turned me into a maniac for a while. I would prefer to not have to go through that again!
@alex@feld@thegreatape as a child I was always perplexed by the cognitive dissonance of all those signs that say "tobacco, alcohol, and drugs-free zone". there's a protected category of recreational drugs in the us, and the lessons we've learned about moderation and self-awareness do not translate to other recreational drugs.