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   Ricki Gray Area Witch Tarr (rickitarr@beige.party)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 08:58:14 JST Ricki Gray Area Witch Tarr

   Why are Progressives so good at fighting amongst themselves, and totally missing the mark at what they should be fighting against?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 08:58:10 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @RickiTarr By "fucking around like this" do we mean the fact that we (the left) are toxic to even our own people and even the slightest hint of nuance is enough to attack them, ultimately pushing more and more support over to the conservative side?

     If so, then I agree, we cant afford to fuck around like this.

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     Ricki Gray Area Witch Tarr (rickitarr@beige.party)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 08:58:12 JST Ricki Gray Area Witch Tarr

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     The Conservatives are way too organized for us to actually be fucking around like this. They have an actual agenda.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:24:20 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Sean

     @Sean

     Literally everyone I know personally from before Trump existed who is now claiming they will vote Trump have never voted republican before and most have voted democrat the majority of times in the past (and third party other times).

     So while I certainly cant speak for how big of a trend it is, I can say I have seen it in droves personally.

     I can even say I've been so deeply hurt by other democrats despite the fact that I voted for obama and have quite voted democrat in the past I have decided I can no longer support them moving forward given the deplorable way they treat people. While I also cant in good conscious vote Trump I can say it certainly has lost my democrat vote.

     @RickiTarr

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     Sean (sean@liberal.city)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:24:21 JST Sean

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     @freemo @RickiTarr
     I don't think that the toxicity drives anyone to be conservative, but may throw their hands up and give up on everything.

     I agree with you that there should be tolerance for nuance, since reflexive abrasiveness is very off-putting and counter productive if we need as many people as possible to win elections.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:27:51 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @RickiTarr It certainly isnt everyone, I agree. The problem is it often **looks** like it is everyone simply because they are the loudest and most memorable. Thats part of the problem, even when a few of a group do it it ruins it for the entire group.

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     Ricki Gray Area Witch Tarr (rickitarr@beige.party)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:27:52 JST Ricki Gray Area Witch Tarr

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     @freemo Yep, something like that lol, I know it's not everyone, but sometimes...let's just put our shit aside to avoid Hitler Jr

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     Sean (sean@liberal.city)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:52:58 JST Sean

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     @freemo
     I was under the assumption that Dem-leaning voters would either sit out or vote third party. I voted for HRC knowing she could lose and received the toxic behavior from VBNMW. I live in CT and so won't be swinging my state's ECVs by voting for 3rd party, will still get the same abrasive treatment for being a crypto-Trump supporter as I did when I voted for the Dem nom in '16 as I get for voting for the Greens.

     Lesson needed to be learnt:
     More flies w/ honey than vinegar

     @RickiTarr