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   Molly White (molly0xfff@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 09:38:32 JST Molly White

   man i hate the mastodon/bluesky fighting

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     Molly White (molly0xfff@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 09:40:18 JST Molly White

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs i feel like i'm seeing a fair bit of sneering/overgeneralization of the users of the other platform on both platforms

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     Matt (mattcrwi@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 09:49:48 JST Matt

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @molly0xfff reddit at least has strong moderation and a voting system that removes negative engagement instead of promoting it.

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     Molly White (molly0xfff@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 10:00:34 JST Molly White

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     mastodon rocks.
     bluesky rocks.
     i'm happy both exist.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 10:22:38 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • Jesse

     @misc Snarfed could have easily saved himself a lot of drama by making it opt in, then basically nobody would have cared. @molly0xfff @thomasfuchs

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     Jesse (misc@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 10:22:39 JST Jesse

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     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @molly0xfff @thomasfuchs Honestly I think it's bluesky that goes after the users more, mastodon tends to direct its fear and loathing at the owners. (and poor snarfed)

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     Alexander The 1st (at1st@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 10:51:33 JST Alexander The 1st

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     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • Allan Chow

     @grumpasaurus @molly0xfff @thomasfuchs So I remembered on Twitter back in the day the claim that federating with another server means that users on both servers technically had access to each other's DMs, and while I'm not 100% of the validity of that, it could be that their user profile information is shared with another entity.

     And had they wanted Bluesky to have it, they would've...made an account there.

     And vice versa for Bluesky accounts not making a Mastodon account.

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     Allan Chow (grumpasaurus@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 10:51:34 JST Allan Chow

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     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @molly0xfff @thomasfuchs wait why do people give a fuck

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     Alexander The 1st (at1st@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 10:53:35 JST Alexander The 1st

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     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • Allan Chow

     @grumpasaurus @molly0xfff @thomasfuchs The same issue with Threads - all of a sudden, Facebook can do more than shadow-profile people who have accounts on Mastodon because of the federation with Threads.

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     Alexander The 1st (at1st@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 10:58:03 JST Alexander The 1st

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • Allan Chow

     @thomasfuchs @grumpasaurus @molly0xfff Fair enough, but that as I understand means that "mentions only" posts between two federated servers shares the reading capabilities to the administrators of both servers for posts in both directions?

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     Elia :verifiedtrans: (elia@fedi.quiescent.nexus)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 11:08:36 JST Elia :verifiedtrans:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @molly0xfff yeah, well, about that: https://eightpoint.app/@daisy/111927187025676223 (that’s just popped up on my timeline right now, more shows up constantly).

     not saying there’s no bigots on fedi, but they’re relatively easy to defederate, whole instances at a time, and they’re not even trying to go for a narrative that frames them as “the” network. or maybe they do, I wouldn’t know, it doesn’t federate over here.

     not saying that bsky is all bigots either, but they’re effectively centralized and with that comes some, y’know, responsibility for proper moderation. as long as it’s not an actual network with effective large-scale moderation tools available for the users themselves, it’s on them. and they’re fucking it up.

     no, this is not “them just wanting to enjoy their platform the way they like”, for whatever definition of “them”, as long as it includes bigots.

     no, “just spend your time and energy blocking bigots one by one” is not the answer, it’s the same sort of shit as twitter after musk.

     there’s a few more proposed “solutions” like this, or very perplexed “why don’t you just” questions in this thread already that are likewise not well thought-out to say it lightly, but this will have to suffice as an answer to them:

     sometimes there’s a little bit more nuance and reason behind things like this “hate”. such as fundamental differences between the motives of “hate” either side has. try looking for it instead of trivializing and equating them.

     I’m truly puzzled to see that coming from someone who just had the entire substack experience.

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     Alexander The 1st (at1st@mstdn.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 11:16:14 JST Alexander The 1st

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     • Allan Chow

     @FeralRobots @thomasfuchs @grumpasaurus @molly0xfff It probably has to do with messaging in the apps.

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     FeralRobots (feralrobots@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 11:16:15 JST FeralRobots

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     • Allan Chow
     • Alexander The 1st

     @thomasfuchs
     Oh man I literally keep forgetting (because I never use my bsky account) that bsky doesn't even pretend to do DMs. (Or maybe they pretend now.)

     It does bemuse me to almost no end that people still believe DMs exist on Fedi. If I can ever be arsed to up my gif game I'm gonna make one of Morpheus in the dojo that says "You think that's a DM you're reading?"

     @AT1ST @grumpasaurus @molly0xfff

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     Allan Chow (grumpasaurus@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 11:23:20 JST Allan Chow

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • Alexander The 1st

     @thomasfuchs @AT1ST @molly0xfff wat!? It's just a website!?

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     Scott Starkey (scottstarkey@hoosier.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:25:17 JST Scott Starkey

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @molly0xfff

     I don't hate #bsky, but they are in Stage 1 of #enshittification. They just got loads of venture capital & they are spending it like crazy to attract enough people for stage 2.

     The VCs will always, always demand their money back. So, once they get people established on the platform, they will be monetized and milked for profit. Eventually, there will be Nazis and ads there.

     We will be ad-free, and continue to banish our Nazis to purgatory away from polite discourse.

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     Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 (o_simardcasanova@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 16:50:32 JST Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋

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     @molly0xfff So tiring, and so unproductive

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     phiofx (phiofx@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 16:50:32 JST phiofx

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     • Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋

     @o_simardcasanova @molly0xfff it is tiring but its not completely unproductive. Software is a projection of collective cultural values on silicon snd this process shapes it. It is inefficient because there is no economic structure to support more coherent discovery, consensus forming, planning

     The anti-bluesky-bridge camp will "lose", in the sense that they have been projecting p2p features in an architecture that in principle supports it but in practice doesnt. But some devs will notice etc.

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     phiofx (phiofx@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 17:31:06 JST phiofx

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     • Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋

     @o_simardcasanova @molly0xfff there are lots of devs. With different stripes.

     The mainstream dev types will return, #activitypub as a general pattern will eat the world in the end :-) (but it will lose a yet unknown fraction of its soul in the process).

     In the meantime some devs will chose to support the smaller communities that might be annoying to the mainstream but are the reason this place exists in the first place.

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     Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 (o_simardcasanova@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 17:31:07 JST Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋

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     • phiofx

     @phiofx @molly0xfff I’m afraid the main effect it will have on devs is to scare them

     I know a bunch of very talented devs who were interested to do cool stuff on Mastodon. Then the abuse came. And they left. In a "I have no plans to even *consider* Mastodon in the future" way.

     Constructive criticism is necessary. But abuse, brigading and tribalism are a drag for Mastodon.

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     sigi714 (sigi714@ruhr.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Feb-2024 06:15:17 JST sigi714

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @molly0xfff This post aged well ;)