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   Rev. Poppy Haze (poppyhaze@girlcock.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:50 JST Rev. Poppy Haze

   the mastodon server called queer.af hosted in the Afghanistan top level domain has been seized today by the Taliban

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:34 JST carl marks

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     @lizstl13 @poppyhaze that is the legacy of imperialism. Their politics are in no small part the legacy of the West.

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     lizstl13@mastodon.sdf.org's status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:35 JST lizstl13

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     @poppyhaze @lizstl13 Clearly the politics in that part of the world are complicated and messy.

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     Rev. Poppy Haze (poppyhaze@girlcock.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:36 JST Rev. Poppy Haze

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     @lizstl13 the article goes into a lot of important history but doesn't go into the very personal history that we were backing some horrifying warlords in Afghanistan directly which enraged the local populace so much, that they would prefer the Taliban over us and our pet warlords

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     Rev. Poppy Haze (poppyhaze@girlcock.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:38 JST Rev. Poppy Haze

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     @lizstl13 Habibullah Jan remained a vital US ally until 2008 when Taliban fighters waited in ambush and killed him. But his brother, Haji Lala, took over his private army and with US support, continued fighting the Taliban and persecuting the people of Afghanistan until 2020 when the US left, the Taliban marched on the capital, and Lala fled to Pakistan where he begged to be jailed to avoid being sent back to Afghanistan

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     Rev. Poppy Haze (poppyhaze@girlcock.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:39 JST Rev. Poppy Haze

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     @lizstl13 yeah they left out the actual details of how the taliban were founded and their name, Talib, means student. Habibullah Jan, a US backed warlord kidnapped 2 women near the home of former mujahadeen fighter Mullah Omar. Omar gathered his students to march on the warlord's camp where they found the women had been killed. Enraged, they took up arms

     After the US invasion drove out the Taliban, Habibullah Jan returned and claimed a seat in the US backed parliament with a private army

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     lizstl13@mastodon.sdf.org's status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:42 JST lizstl13

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     @poppyhaze @lizstl13
     Who is responsible for the Taliban?
     https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/who-responsible-taliban

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     lizstl13@mastodon.sdf.org's status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:45 JST lizstl13

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     @poppyhaze @lizstl13 Not I. Trump!

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     Rev. Poppy Haze (poppyhaze@girlcock.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:45 JST Rev. Poppy Haze

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     @lizstl13 no, it started under Jimmy Carter and then Reagan

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     Rev. Poppy Haze (poppyhaze@girlcock.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:47 JST Rev. Poppy Haze

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     @lizstl13 well we put them in power so we should know

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     lizstl13@mastodon.sdf.org's status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:40:48 JST lizstl13

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     @poppyhaze The Taliban are monsters.

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 02:01:24 JST carl marks

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     @lizstl13 @poppyhaze

     Good reading, but that does not actually invalidate my point, which again is that their politics are the way they are due to imperialism.

     And once again I repeat that the instability is due in no small part to the legacy of the West.

     Put differently, in this matter our hands are not clean, despite considerable efforts that have been made to sanitize US imperialist participation.

     You said politics in "that part of the world" are messy and complicated. It's no "that part", it's us. The US. Britain. It's the whole world, not just the brown folks countries. Implying otherwise is just white supremacy.

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     lizstl13@mastodon.sdf.org's status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 02:01:25 JST lizstl13

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     @tillshadeisgone @lizstl13 @poppyhaze
     Afghanistan has been invaded by outsiders from East and West.
     https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/asia-jan-june11-timeline-afghanistan