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@lizstl13 @poppyhaze

Good reading, but that does not actually invalidate my point, which again is that their politics are the way they are due to imperialism.

And once again I repeat that the instability is due in no small part to the legacy of the West.

Put differently, in this matter our hands are not clean, despite considerable efforts that have been made to sanitize US imperialist participation.

You said politics in "that part of the world" are messy and complicated. It's no "that part", it's us. The US. Britain. It's the whole world, not just the brown folks countries. Implying otherwise is just white supremacy.