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   prefetcher (prefetcher@miku.place)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:23:35 JST prefetcher
   all we need is one more federated messaging protocol to fix everything, just one more
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:23:33 JST Wolf480pl

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     @prefetcher hey I heard you like XML namespaces so I put XML namespaces in your JSON, and then put that in HTTP (but not websocket) so umm... can you make it realtime now?

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     prefetcher (prefetcher@miku.place)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:23:34 JST prefetcher

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     realtime activitypub
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:24:27 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Wolf480pl
     @wolf480pl @prefetcher websocket federation was tried on Pleroma side of things, didn't work out, IIRC it didn't scale up better than HTTP.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:40:19 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Wolf480pl
     @wolf480pl @prefetcher Neighbours? There's no relaying on the fediverse, it's raw server-to-server.
     And IIRC it ended up with getting much more overhead on initial connection (websocket handshake being HTTP based is horrible for this) for too little latency gains in the end.
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:40:20 JST Wolf480pl

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan @prefetcher
     ok but was latency measured, or was it only about number of neighbours and message rate?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:45:02 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Wolf480pl
     @wolf480pl @prefetcher And days is irrealistic, that would be way too many connections to keep.
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:45:03 JST Wolf480pl

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan @prefetcher
     A clique is still a graph. A node in a clique still has neighbours.

     Also not everyone follows everyone so we're not even talking about a clique.

     >And IIRC it ended up with getting much more overhead on initial connection

     yeah duh if you open the connection only when there's a message it's not gonna be beneficial, you need to keep idle connections open for hours or days

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:55:05 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Wolf480pl
     @wolf480pl @prefetcher Plus XMPP has a smaller and predictable scale of discussions as it's contacts and chatrooms (which AFAIK work as relays).
     Fediverse is much more gossip-like in terms of design and usage.
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:55:06 JST Wolf480pl

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @prefetcher @lanodan
     I wonder how XMPP does this, but yeah it probably has a lower connection establishment overhead because it's only XML over TLS, without HTTP in the middle

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     prefetcher (prefetcher@miku.place)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 02:55:07 JST prefetcher

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     • Wolf480pl
     @lanodan @wolf480pl i guess a mechanism of progressively timing out connections that didn't get many messages exchanged would be needed in here
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 03:05:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Wolf480pl
     @wolf480pl @prefetcher Could be made.
     But public/unlisted posts means a connection to all servers a user is followed-by except known-dead ones.
     
     The Oban graphs I have are kind of obscene in terms of number of jobs… (note: rddtool smoothes out peaks)
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 03:05:24 JST Wolf480pl

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan @prefetcher
     are there any stats on the number of other instances an instance connects to on a regular basis?