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   Scott Santens (scottsantens@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 08-Feb-2024 23:21:34 JST Scott Santens

   Me: We should do unconditional #basicincome.

   Random conservative: "But it's socialism!"

   Random socialist: "But it's not socialism!"

   It's so tiring. People support and oppose UBI on all sides of the political spectrum. Take off your polarized glasses and see that IT JUST WORKS.

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     Missed It Again!❤️🖤 (bangclankboom@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 18:20:53 JST Missed It Again!❤️🖤

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     • thezerobit

     @thezerobit very true, i was referencing the mixed-economy psuedosocialism we see in the northern countries (Norway?, fuzzy memory). Owning land ain't a job. Its scalping but for real estate, and that's the reason I'll never be able to live outside my hometown. I guess I'm a little brainwashed by my surroundings into believing any social safety net is socialism. Thanks for reminding me otherwise!

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     thezerobit (thezerobit@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 18:20:54 JST thezerobit

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     • Missed It Again!❤️🖤

     @BangClankBoom
     This socialist does. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. There are lots of things you can tack onto capitalism that don't turn it magically into socialism, like libraries, public education, or UBI. If you give everyone $500 a month under capitalism, then the landlords can just raise the rent by $500 and you've merely created a transfer of public wealth to landlords.

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     Missed It Again!❤️🖤 (bangclankboom@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 18:20:55 JST Missed It Again!❤️🖤

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     @scottsantens
     What socialist says ubi is not socialism? It's pretty darn close to the dictionary definition of modern socialism AFAIK.

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     gentrifiedrose (gentrifiedrose@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 18:21:48 JST gentrifiedrose

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     @scottsantens What's socialist about this? Its about as conservative as it comes.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 18:21:48 JST clacke

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     • gentrifiedrose

     @gentrifiedrose Socialism according to conservatives: "free stuff"

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