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   narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 08:09:18 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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   @tedu that's what I do, but I am one man, i can't write all the nice software in the world.
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     tedu (tedu@honk.tedunangst.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 09:04:29 JST tedu

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     @hj hey, yeah, I was just thinking there seems to be a disconnect between all the people who say they want nice software and the amount of nice software that exists.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 09:33:34 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @hj @tedu Well one way to scale that further is to figure how to make people write that nice software, like with guiding them enough for it.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 11:41:34 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @strizhechenko @hj @tedu It's serious. It is real hard, because you need people with a shared vision and smart enough, but that's how you develop software in a community rather than forever alone.
     Heck, I'd say it's also the best way to get better software, like hj is so much better than I am at frontend work.
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     Ambassador Tabliček (strizhechenko@lor.sh)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 11:41:36 JST Ambassador Tabliček

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     @hj @lanodan @tedu if you aren't serious and it is sarcasm, it's best joke of the month, really, made my day, etc

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     Ambassador Tabliček (strizhechenko@lor.sh)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 11:41:37 JST Ambassador Tabliček

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     @tedu @lanodan @hj agahahhahhahhahahhahahhahhahhahahhahhahahahhahahhsha :blobcatgooglycry:

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 12:33:50 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @strizhechenko @tedu @hj yeah, corporate will rot your brain and culture. I meant kind of like explaining something to a friend, not fucking management.
     
     Also I don't think there's going to be silver bullets for software, specially slightly complex ones, because needs evolve and are different from one person to another.
     
     And in my opinion nothing from any industry is really trustworthy, specially ones where you have no idea who the hell is in them. Which is why I'd say trust is only for people.
     
     Compare to like a restaurant, where a significant change of staff, specially the cook, will almost reset your trust, even if stuff like the brand never changed.
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     Ambassador Tabliček (strizhechenko@lor.sh)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 12:33:51 JST Ambassador Tabliček

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     @tedu @lanodan @hj well, why I expected it to be sarcasm. Writing nice software is one of the most complex industry problem. It is one of the reason why there is a lot of tech universities, books etc, that's why people argue in stackoverflow comments etc and still there is no silver bullet. Maybe I was triggered by the word "guidance" which I interpreted as giving enough instructions (holy shit, corporate life kills my brains).

     The word "nice" applied to software is subjective - nice to who? Author? Third party developers? Operating system(s)? PC's memory or cpu? End users? Novice or advanced? Every answer creates limitations which prevent software being nice for part of the users. Leaving the answers unanswered often prevents software from being nice for everyone.

     Op's idea of "just writing nice software on his own" is one of the ways to give answer to the most of such questions - author is the only user so he know everything about users. And it is a good way. I love DIY-software, there's lot of fun, but I think of it as of ugly bullshit, but still love it :D

     To make it NICE I need to invest about 200 hours into learning modern front-end (and even after learning it I will still think of it as of ugly bloated shit).