🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
1% of the civilian population murdered. Half are children. They have also killed the most journalist in a warzone of any war, reaching a world record.
No what they are doing hasnt just caused many civilians to die, it is literal genocide and has been for a long time, even before the current hostilities.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
By figures that have been confirmed by multiple third party sources as accurate, including the UN.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Nope, UN has explicitly stated the numbers reported from the Palestinian health ministry were accurate numbers. So again as I said, it has been UN confirmed.
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@freemo @randahl nope. Directly from hamas heath agency without any independent investigations.
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@freemo @randahl you mean the same UN whose members were caught participating in October 7 masacres? The same whose funding went directly to building tunnel networks? What a credible source.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
No I dont. It wasnt confirmed by specific UN members, but rather as a statement from the whole of the agency.
The UN is the only authority that let the Israeli's massacre and steal land from Palestine in the first place. So if we dont recognize their authority then Israel has no right to exist in the first place. But I am sure your adoption of UN opinions is highly selective.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Then the Israelis invaded a foreign country they had no claim of any sort in, and are in the wrong regardless of how many people they killed.
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@freemo @randahl no, I think that UN is an obsolete organization. It failed in all its missions just like League of Nations. The only legitimacy a country has is it’s recognition among other nations.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
The Israeli's are an occupational force in palestine. You cant invade your own occupied land. That would be like saying Ukranians are invading Kiev by recapturing it, makes no sense.
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@freemo @randahl Israel was literally attacked in October 7. They have clear goal of exterminating Hamas. If they occupy Gasa after that, I would oppose that.
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@freemo @randahl Kyiv is not sending hundreds of rockets towards Ukrainian territory and Kyiv is not funded, trained and supplied by Qatar, Iran and Russia.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
What, yes when Russia had control over Kiev yes it was sending hundreds of rockets towards Ukrainian territory. Also how can you say Russian occupied kiev is not funded by russia.
Your response makes no sense, which suggests you arent even reading what is said, or worse.
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@greg @freemo @randahl numbers don’t change anything actually. Who is responsible is another matter. Also, war laws are pretty specific in that regard.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I think its kinda funny that you claim the UN has no authority then cite the very laws the UN is the authority of as an excuse for why Palestine is the bad guys.... you wont be getting points for consistency thats for sure.
Greg Clarke 🇨🇦 :mverified:
@konfun @freemo @randahl war crimes don't excuse war crimes. Who would you trust to verify the civilian deaths in Gaza directly caused by the IDF? And if it was verified from a source you trust that 10K civilians were killed by the IDF, would it change your position?
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@greg @freemo @randahl good one. My point still stands. Focus on “civilian deaths” is an attempt to discredit Israel’s right to defend itself. All these arguments are fabricated to guide the narratives to “Israel is bad” instead of having well rounded conversations of what is war and why Hammas spent decades and billions to embed their military instalations into civilian population. If you read war law, this is an actual war crime.
Greg Clarke 🇨🇦 :mverified:
@konfun @freemo @randahl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
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@freemo @randahl maybe you are not very clear with your comments…
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
My statement is fairly unambiguous. I said:
That would be like saying Ukranians are invading Kiev by recapturing it, makes no sense.
Since there is currently a war between Russia and Ukraine this is pretty unambiguous.
Chances are you had no idea what Kiev was and just pretended you did. Which really hurts your good-faith credibility in the discussion.
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@freemo @greg @randahl UN has no authority over War Law. Wehat are you talking about? It is guided by all kinds of international laws but it has absolutely no way to enforce it. Only socereign states can.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
So which sovreign state is the authority that enacted this law that palestine is bound to that you cite they are violating?
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@freemo @randahl first of all not ‘Kiev’ but KYIV, you bigot. Respect Ukrainians. Secondly, I spend enough money in donations to Ukrainian cause that my money killed at least 10 Russians with FPV drones. Not to mention I have been there and I am currently traveling in Georgia.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
> first of all not ‘Kiev’ but KYIV, you bigot
The city is not spelled with latin letters. Both Kyiv and Kiev are considered valid latinizations.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You didnt answer the question, still waiting.
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@freemo @greg @randahl According to any international laws or agreements, Palestine has never been a state since Palestians refused all two state proposals so far. Not to mention their gial is ‘From the river to the sea’ if you know what I mean.
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@freemo @greg @randahl what question? Could tou form it more clearly?
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
what question? Could tou [sic] form it more clearly?
This is the question:
So which sovereign state is the authority that enacted this law that Palestine is bound to that you cite they are violating?
Laws are enacted by governing bodies. International law is enacted by either a governing body (such as the EU) enacting it, in which case the countries that are members are beholden to it, or via treaty. You are claiming Palestine is in violation of international law. So what governing body are they a part of where they violate said law? Or which treaty did they sign which has such law in it?
Clear enough?
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
god you make less sense every time you post.
Ok so how do you determine what is international law then in this fictional framework of yours? Lets say you have two separate international treaties signed by different parties with opposite and conflicting “international law”… which one is the real law? Say just 2 nations, or 3, or 10 agree to something, is it international law then, how many need to agree before its international law.
And you say I have no clue, Ha!
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@freemo @greg @randahl You don’t need to sign a treaty to be responsible for it. Jus like if you cone to another nation it does not mean you can commit crimes since you are not a citizen.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I didnt explain anything, i asked questions about the absurdity of your assertion. Meaning yet again you arent even reading.
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@freemo @greg @randahl thanks for explaining the international law for me. That’s exactly how it is. That’s the essense between unipolar and multipolar worlds. That’s what “western values” mean when we talk about common set of values and norms.
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