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   Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:29:27 JST Bread up, Bro
   The funny thing here is in the past immigration has been a whip-hand for employers, but it seems like there is no blood left in that stone
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     Griffith (griffith@5dollah.click)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:44:04 JST Griffith

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     @sickburnbro no real economic growth + no culture of employee-employer loyalty means both parties are willing to hop out of the frying pan not realizing there’s only fire below. They have to start paying employees in something more than money and employees have to produce more than raw economic output.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:45:00 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @Marakus as woodshop can mention, they are all desperate for people who can lead. You don't get leadership from the bottom of the barrel
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     Marakus (marakus@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:45:01 JST Marakus

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     @sickburnbro Why pay more, if people are desperate enough to work for less?
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     Groomschild (groomschild@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:50:37 JST Groomschild

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     @Griffith @sickburnbro The main problem is that the cost of living has been going up exponentially the last couple years. Even if employees wanted to "be better" they will still be living in a shoebox if they aren't always chasing the dragon
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     Griffith (griffith@5dollah.click)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:56:50 JST Griffith

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     @Groomschild @sickburnbro This is what I mean. Bosses can’t offer more money in a way that will reasonably fix the standard of living issue. Short of giving everyone a $10/hr raise across the board, no one’s getting to the boomers level of prosperity. The reason businesses are struggling also has little to do with their employees being lazy bums (IQ dropping due to diversity is another issue). Making people work harder for fewer hours won’t solve their problems either, so both parties have to find ways to incentivize the other.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:57:19 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Griffith
     @Griffith @Groomschild right, there just is very little to go around anymore
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     WhiteBoyRooster (whiteboyrooster@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:58:38 JST WhiteBoyRooster

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     >think raises are an entitlement rather than actually producing value for the firm.
     >from a Gen x
     
     Thats weird. My boomer father worked in the same factory for 37 years before in folded due to NAFTA in the late 2000s
     
     From the late 70s until early 2000s, a yearly raise was written in policy and based on inflation (cost of living) and productive merit as define by management so productivity and growth goals had an incentive.
     
     There were always incentives when management needed "line go up" . Bonuses too.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 22:59:52 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @WhiteBoyRooster exactly. it was tough work, but it was quite fair and for people that wanted to make some extra, they could.
     
     But some rich people got very greedy
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     Theodore John Kaczynski (unabomber@social.here.blue)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 23:08:57 JST Theodore John Kaczynski

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     @sickburnbro To add, companies today are of poorer quality because they were created using cheap debt. The entire startup culture of the last decade was based on Zero Interest Rate Policy. The natural rate of interest for the last 5000 years has been around 5%.

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     Clever_Moniker (clevermoniker@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 23:18:48 JST Clever_Moniker

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     • Theodore John Kaczynski
     @unabomber @sickburnbro And remember, 5% interest rates with 15% real inflation still means effectively negative interest rates (due to no return on investment due to inflation)
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 23:20:50 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Clever_Moniker
     @CleverMoniker @unabomber don't worry, the fed has this all figured out, they're just going to make every bank borrow from the discount window and so no-one will be able to tell which bank is going bust first
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     d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 00:34:09 JST d

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     @Griffith @Groomschild @sickburnbro employees leaving for greener pastures is the incentive. it's the stick business owners should be trying to avoid being hit with
     
     employees and prospective employees have no new carrot to offer, nor should they try to find one. they've *already* shouldered the entire cost and risk of education and training and if they take on even more responsibility business owners will simply take it and give nothing in exchange
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     Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 01:52:23 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️

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     @sickburnbro lol if my boss quit and they told me I'm now going to do my work and my former bosses work for the same pay, I'd just quit too. We're all mercenaries here and there's plenty of armies to join.

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