saxnot
@EeveeEuphoria this is a horrible situation. Horrible.
But the last paragraph really got me since I'm a EU citizen I had this moment of
*acdc yeah scream*
*mlg sunglasses fading into my profile pic*
Not sure how to describe that emotion. Perhaps smug feeling of superiority? The colonies burning in AI armageddon and all the useful/helpful things being imported later.
Of course not everything is swell over here.
But at least SOME laws resemble serenity/fairness.
feld
saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria doesn't the USA have something similar to the GDPR?
saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria I hope my long toot chain was not too much / annoying
Having been a privacy and digital sovereignty activists for years means this topic is very close to my heart
Has the EU become less strict in enforcing the GDPR? From my perspective, no.
The GDPR has a lot of holes to fix and needs to be expanded.
Many powerful companies have no interest in these protection laws. For example Volkswagen or Google both lobby for less consumer protection.
I think overall it works.
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria when I go to the supermarket and they video tape me and register my data at checkout etc do I need to sign a GDPR permission slip? Of course not.
They are processing my data and have no interest in whining about any laws
Is it expensive and uncool to protect data?
Yes.
Is it expensive and uncool to stop child labour?
Yes.
Is it expensive and uncool to have fire protection measures?
Yes.
The laws are not for monetary gain but to make our country BETTER for all of us
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria … it's also accompanied by a GDPR letter I need to sign.
You need to show me that you comply with GDPR?
Do you also need to show me that you are not doing any child labour, comply with fire safety etc? No.
It's laughable. Of course you need to comply with the law.
It's annoying on purpose. It signals "the laws are weighting us down" just like cookie banners.
Perhaps some doctors only copy the status quo. Irrelevant.
They are only there to create resentment.
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria many website don't use cookies at all!
Yet everyone knows they are annoyingy, protest by making it annoying and claiming that the law forced them. Probably many don't know any better and just copy whatever the big companys do it.
And the same with GDPR. A story from my german personal life: every time I visit a new doctor I need to fill out a form with my personal data and what allergies etc they need to know about me. Makes sense.
What doesn't make sense is that
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria the data protection agency in Hesse seems to be unwilling to press against this large company.
Perhaps one of these "I don't investigate you as long as you pay taxes here" situation.
SCHUFA generates annual revenue above 250 mio euro each year. Big company when you're inside one of the smaller states.
Plus there are many misconceptions being pushed willingly or unwillingly.
Remember cookie consent buttons? Most of the time they are completely unneccessary since
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria the second example would be the credit scoring company SCHUFA.
They collect and process my data and generate a credit score with unknown dubious means.
Their business model is not compatible with the ethics and moral standards which are enforced via the GDPR.
Been a while since I looked into it but there has been an investigation if they are compliant but it keeps dragging on and the final ruling if it is legal seems to be intentionally delayed until further notice
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria i don't want to drag this til infinity.
Perhaps two examples from germany is how @ulrichkelber who studied CS and worked for a software company did a great job as commissioner for data protection. He enforced the GDPR within the state and supervised the other sub-agencies with the same job. Since 07.01. his term time is up and within six months a successor needs to be found.
His currently discusses replacement does not seem to be as competent or motivated as him.
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria i'm the last to support harmful practices by big tech companies but being being beaten for protection money by gouverments like France just is not fair to Facebook or Google either.
"You can harm our citizens as long as we get a cut" is not a great message.
My collegues from Digitalcourage and I have a close eye on GDPR and its developments.
Overall GDPR is a major success.
But of course many are not willing to fund it / see no point in it / subvert it like above
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saxnot
@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria Ireland has always been a weak spot in regards to GDPR.
They are willing to be incompetent / overworked on purpose. Big tech moved to ireland. Nice taxes for ireland and lenient enforcement for big tech.
Many countries use the 4 % fine clause to milk companies like Google or Facebook. Lining their pockets by regularely getting millions from tech companies. Not even interested in them ever fixing the underlying Problem.
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@hazelnot @EeveeEuphoria the GDPR has always been a good first step. A step in the right direction but overall only a small step.
There always have been multiple weaknesses with the GDPR or DSGVO how it's called in my country.
From the top of my head: Ideally you only collect and process data when you need it for something / have an important reason. Not sure? Just say "ads" or "maybe ads in the future" and it's legal! This makes the need-to-know clause completely irrelevant
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hazelnot :yell:
@saxnot @EeveeEuphoria honestly from what I've heard recently they've started to give up on actually enforcing GDPR like they used to so I wouldn't be surprised to see this shit sneaked in over here too >.>
saxnot
@feld @EeveeEuphoria @hazelnot i'm not on your continent but to me it sometimes seems there are two states: California and Jesusland.
I don't want to sound harsh but to an friend who immigrated from the US to my german city I always tell that it was quite beneficial for europe to drop all the religious nutcases, scammers and whackos to the colonies and then forgetting about them fur hundrets or years.
We don't have as many religions / cults / systematic scams as the US does. Not even close.
feld
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