After a closer look at the Apple Vision Pro reviews & talking to people who’ve used it, my prediction of the most likely path is that its evolution resembles the Apple Watch, which went from big, vague promises to a simple health & notifications device. So, a future Vision Air (or whatever) will ditch external eye displays & complexity and mostly be a very large smart display. You can tell any Mac, iPhone, iPad or Apple TV (maybe HomePod!) to extend to this display. That’s the big, basic deal.
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 10:33:22 JST Anil Dash
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 10:34:35 JST Anil Dash
(And FaceTime in XR should just use memojis instead of weird creepy avatars.)
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 10:39:45 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@anildash Watches were an established product, used by people for centuries. Literally no one wants to attach computers (or monitors) to their face, except some freaks maybe.
I think it’s a categorical mistake, and is about as useful as the TouchBar.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 10:54:25 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@swetland @anildash can’t do that (at least not for what visionOS is striving for) because stray light
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Brian Swetland (swetland@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 10:54:26 JST Brian Swetland
@thomasfuchs @anildash I'd potentially be interested in AR if it could be delivered in a form factor not much different from the actual glasses I already wear (as opposed to something on the ski-mask to motorcycle-helmet spectrum) with sufficient resolution, battery life, integration, etc.
Of course the killer use-case of "remind me who these people are I'm talking to" immediately falls into a huge pit of privacy and invasiveness concerns for everyone on the other side of the glasses.
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:04:14 JST Anil Dash
The thing to keep in mind is, just as a display alone, the Vision Pro is squarely in the mid-priced range of Apple’s display products.
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:04:40 JST Anil Dash
@steveriggins me too!
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Steve Riggins (steveriggins@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:04:41 JST Steve Riggins
@anildash multiple cooking timers placed over the pots was *very* interesting to Elizabeth
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:05:00 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@polotek @anildash would love to hear the insider story how it got designed and shipped and marketed and… widely hated
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:05:05 JST Anil Dash
@thomasfuchs millions of people already use headsets of some type.
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Marco Rogers (polotek@social.polotek.net)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:05:18 JST Marco Rogers
@thomasfuchs @anildash do people talk about why the touchbar failed so hard? What lessons were learned?
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:06:13 JST Anil Dash
@polotek @thomasfuchs I assumed the touch bar was just an attempt to use up TSMC fab capacity for T1 chips until they could get the M1 chips far enough along to be ready for launch.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:09:56 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@anildash millions of people bought a quest and aren’t using it, because it’s awkward and makes 50% of people nauseous; before that millions of people got one of those cardboard thingies, and used it like one time, etc. etc.
To see the actual market penetration you can look at the software that’s available for the biggest platform (Quest), it’s abysmal. Not even Meta takes it seriously anymore.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:14:53 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@anildash not that my opinion on this will change anything lol, I’m just not seeing it
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:16:18 JST Anil Dash
@jordan yep!
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Jordan (jordan@brocks.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:16:23 JST Jordan
@anildash Cinema Display mini
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:17:17 JST Anil Dash
Also, from 14 years ago, on iPad announcement day.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 11:21:27 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@anildash that was a good prophecy
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 13:19:19 JST Anil Dash
@planettimmy even if it gets to roughly $1300, if it can run apps on its own, it’s very compelling. For the same reason an iPad is.
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Tim Aidley (planettimmy@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 13:19:22 JST Tim Aidley
@anildash I think the 'just a display' idea is quite interesting. How cheap could you make the system if you just wanted passthrough and some fairly basic 'display something on some flat panels in VR space' functionality?
I know Apple isn't in to cheap, but if you can put a single much lower cost processor in it, and only have enough sensors for passthrough and basic head tracking (no hand tracking at all), perhaps it could be the $700 display that you can use with all your iDevices?
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Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 22:51:30 JST Anil Dash
@Vorsos yeah but their stuff looked corny.
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Vorsos (vorsos@beige.party)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 22:51:32 JST Vorsos
@anildash We all mocked Meta for their cartoon character VR meetings, though…
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 23:42:47 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@electranyx @anildash VR headsets have been around since 1980s, long before tablet-style computers (and even before that in other forms).
There's a fundamental issue with them, namely that you need to strap them to your head.
That's why people don't like them, and they're not going to take off in a mass market like computers, phones, tablets or watches have.
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Sam (electranyx@graphics.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 23:42:49 JST Sam
@thomasfuchs @anildash There is a huge age divide here. Just as with iPad and iPhone old people struggle to envisage new paridigms. Old bloggers often call iPads “consumption devices”, young people use them exclusively. Vision Pro will only take shape if and when it’s cheap enough for kids to define. Keeping it expensive dooms it to be defined by the middle aged.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 23:46:37 JST Thomas 🔭✨
@Migueldeicaza I'm not a Luddite or trying to be negative here, and my wallet knows I love Apple products too much, but there's there's a fundamental issue here (strapping a thing to your face) and it's not going to be a mass market product like their other product lines.
Sure it has great niche applications, and the tech is amazing, but that's also true about, say, MRI machines.
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Miguel de Icaza (migueldeicaza@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 23:46:38 JST Miguel de Icaza
@thomasfuchs hey hey hey
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Pär Björklund (paxxi@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 03:21:15 JST Pär Björklund
@thomasfuchs @Migueldeicaza it's a toy for rich people, like a Lamborghini, fun, not very practical and not for the masses
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