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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:45:19 JST Sexy Moon
   When someone tells me their streaming works better than Twitch after I've tried literally every open source alternative
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:47:00 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon hls/dash can only do so good of a job :blobcatupsidedown:
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:48:54 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn I got webrtc streaming working on Oven (was a routing problem on my part) and it still had about 4 seconds of delay, which is about the same as my old streaming server on a good day. This is on a very powerful machine so I don't know what I can do to approach the hypothetical "sub-second" streaming.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:52:12 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon thats odd was the player using webrtc also
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:53:57 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon tbh most foss advocates aren't worth listening to.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:56:04 JST 翠星石

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan @Moon Indeed, you should listen to free software advocates instead.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:57:24 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn suposedly yes but since you mention it I don't know if it was falling back to something else like the websocket it uses to establish the webrtc connection
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:57:30 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • 翠星石
     @Suiseiseki @Moon Those are even worse.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 21:59:40 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon yeah kind of sounds like the player was falling back to dash.
     
     ideally we would use RIST both ways but nobody wants to support that :afire:
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:03:11 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn
     
     https://demo.ovenplayer.com/#%7B%22playerOption%22%3A%7B%22autoStart%22%3Atrue%2C%22autoFallback%22%3Atrue%2C%22mute%22%3Afalse%2C%22sources%22%3A%5B%7B%22type%22%3A%22webrtc%22%2C%22file%22%3A%22wss%3A%2F%2Foven.shitposter.club%3A3334%2Fapp%2Fstream%22%7D%5D%2C%22doubleTapToSeek%22%3Afalse%7D%2C%22demoOption%22%3A%7B%22autoReload%22%3Atrue%2C%22autoReloadInterval%22%3A2000%7D%7D
     
     try this
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:05:07 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon
     > 🔴 sub-second latency streaming
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:06:14 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon connection died
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:06:33 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn anyway I stopped it, it was about four seconds after all.
     
     I thought that indicator meant it was working
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:07:15 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon :cirno_shrug: was i supposed to watch the clock on the stream?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:08:07 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn I moved the clock window and obs shit the bed.
     
     basically just you can tell what the delay is since I showed a clock, and it was about four seconds of delay that time too
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:09:28 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon hmm
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:09:35 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn I am disappointed that nobody's HLS server is as fast as the crusty nginx module that was the very first thing I installed.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:10:17 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn my tube site doesn't support webrtc anyway, I tried adding it and modifying synctube was too hard for me lol, the code's a fucking mess
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:11:41 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon yeah Everything Has To Be Terrible.
     
     SRT is better, RIST is better than SRT, but you are lucky to even get SRT ingress on something. browser streaming is more geared to mass distribution than interactive stuff. interaction has been shunted to webrtc, which is basically an enshittified SIP.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:12:04 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn I am in awe at how bad some programmers are and yet they get the job done
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:12:31 JST Sexy Moon

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     @icedquinn so SRT actusally has a latency option, I don't know what it does, but it might be the reason I have four seconds of delay. I am using SRT upload.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:15:47 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon
     
     > OBS Studio will accept options in the syntax: srt://IP:port?option1=value1&option2=value2. The full list of options is those supported by FFmpeg: http://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-protocols.html#srt.
     > The most important option is latency in microseconds (μs). It has a default value of 120 ms = 120 000 μs and should be at least 2.5 * (the round-trip time between encoder and ingest server, in ms).
     Ex: for a latency of 1 sec, set latency=1000000 .
     https://obsproject.com/kb/srt-protocol-streaming-guide
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:17:10 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon @icedquinn you could break the speed of light i guess
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:20:21 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn holy shit that worked. I set the latency to slightly higher than my ping ms latency and now it seems to be under a second.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:21:18 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon i contributed :ablobcatcheersparkles:
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:23:20 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn thanks for getting me to try it again
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:24:00 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn obs still froze tho lol
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:24:07 JST Rusty Crab

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon @icedquinn from my experience, there's a point at which many programmers become excellent at algorithms but their code architecture resembles the Eiffel tower assembled with toothpicks and no glue
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:25:47 JST iced depresso

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     • Rusty Crab
     @RustyCrab @Moon people get paid to ship, so they tape jank to get paid. nobody gets paid to sit there and work out the optimal gang of four patterns
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:34:03 JST iced depresso

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     • Rusty Crab
     @RustyCrab @Moon sell the company before then :blobcatburglar:
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:34:04 JST Rusty Crab

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn @Moon yes but technical debt eventually keeps you from shipping at all because everything breaks for every feature you add. I've seen it happen.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:38:31 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn oh, in that case I set it wrong. I set it to 50ms and my delay is 43ms. I'll fix it next time, maybe that's why stuff freezes
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:40:17 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon nah it crashes because obs is jank :neocat_boop_owo:
     
     higher delays just give you more tolerance for network congestion.
     
     that's why HLS/DASH are like they are. they're built to ship to lots of recipients over hostile networks in a one-way transmission. the latency is there so various clients can hide the network issues in the buffer.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:40:49 JST iced depresso

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon all i can say for crashes is update obs, try the flatpak, etc, otherwise report it.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:40:58 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn I will probably switch to Linux for streaming because it seems more reliable than MacOS for OBS
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:41:22 JST iced depresso

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon its possible to have ffmpeg stream and bypass obs alltogether, but then you lose all the things that obs does competently that are quite expensive to replace.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:43:01 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn if I were just streaming game video with my voice over the top yeah I could hack together a thing to do that via ffmpeg probably.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:44:30 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon i looked in to it once. OBS is very hard to replace.
     
     on macos there was something called wirecast which does similar things, with a 500$ price tag.
     
     in the oss sector the alternatives are snowmix or casparcg. both of which are nowhere near user friendly and presume you are looking for middleware to build a production room with
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:45:19 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn I wish there were composable command line tools for this kind of thing
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     a7 (a7@miss.mouse.services)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:45:41 JST a7

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @Moon@shitposter.club unregistered hypercam > obs

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:46:47 JST iced depresso

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     • a7
     @a7 @Moon snowmix promised they were going to give the transition tools out in the next update.
     
     then they never released a new update :neocat_scream_stare:
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:47:09 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mr64bit @icedquinn I mean like let you overlay images, center stuff, apply filters. ffmpeg can do stuff like this but the syntax is a nightmare
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     mr64bit (mr64bit@p.mr64.net)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:47:10 JST mr64bit

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon @icedquinn I think technically that would be gstreamer, but... yeah, good luck with that.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:47:44 JST iced depresso

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     • mr64bit
     @mr64bit @Moon back in the day there was a noodle graph ui for directshow people used to encode films.
     
     i'd love that but for gstreamer.
     
     problem is there are a few jobs like video mixing and character graphics that are a royal bitch and are big $$$ in commercial terms
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 22:49:15 JST iced depresso

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     • mr64bit
     @mr64bit @Moon caspar used flash for discount cg but they threw that out because flash died. now they use embedded chromium, like obs does.
     
     caspar is interesting but its basically meant to be remote controlled. you gotta bring your own triggers/setup scripts.
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     TechUr (techur@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 23:02:24 JST TechUr

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     • iceloops 🚬 :love_forever_cat:
     @1iceloops123 @Moon @icedquinn Linux and OBS worked fine for me, but only if the games were in windows and not fullscreen.
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     iceloops 🚬 :love_forever_cat: (1iceloops123@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 23:02:25 JST iceloops 🚬 :love_forever_cat:

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     • TechUr
     @Moon @icedquinn I suggest talk to @TechUr about Linux and obs
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 23:20:59 JST Sexy Moon

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     • why?
     • iced depresso
     @why @icedquinn i suspect windows-first development. understandably other platforms are more niche
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     why? (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 23:21:00 JST why?

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     • iced depresso
     @Moon @icedquinn obs has almost never crashed for me on windows. makes me think theres an issue with the server that could happen on ffmpeg.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 23:21:22 JST iced depresso

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     @Moon @why i haven't had a lot of crashes on linux.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 23:21:47 JST Sexy Moon

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn @why same but macos is a cobbled mess i guess, ironically
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 00:00:56 JST Sexy Moon

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     • mdn
     @mangeurdenuage @sjw its a one-liner, i've done it before. its good if you're not mixing multiple sources
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     mdn (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 00:00:57 JST mdn

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     @sjw @Moon Would you be kind (and have the patience/time) enought to produce guidance for us ? if it is not too much to ask ?
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     Your New Marijuana Injecting Waifu :weed: (sjw@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 00:00:58 JST Your New Marijuana Injecting Waifu :weed:

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     • mdn
     @mangeurdenuage @Moon yes it's that people wonder always add a bunch of bullshit and layers on top. Nah just rawdog ffmpeg and it'll work flawlessly.
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     mdn (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 00:00:59 JST mdn

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     • Your New Marijuana Injecting Waifu :weed:
     @Moon @sjw uses ffmpeg directly and it works incredibly well.
     https://tube.raccoon.quest/watch?v=ztjT2YqQ2Hc