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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 08:31:22 JST Eugen Rochko

   • かき@GNUsocialJP

   If #Apple continues on this path I’m going to have to switch back to Android. The idea that they deserve a fee from developers for people simply running programs on their operating system is unhinged. The App Store fee is justified because it’s a distribution channel. But whatever this is, is nonsense.

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     Zoe Hendrickse (huffles@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 08:33:39 JST Zoe Hendrickse

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     @Gargron I miss when android really was an open platform. Android might let you “install” any side loaded app, but the hardware and os is so locked down.
     I really wish there was good third option in the phone space. :(

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 08:36:04 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     @Gargron

     We should ALL switch to FOSS, Linux or a #DeGoogled smartphone, e.g. from #FairPhone.

     It is still #ReclaimPrivacy Week!

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     Son of a Sailor (sonofasailor@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 08:49:47 JST Son of a Sailor

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     @Gargron But only when switching to the alternative app store plan for distribution. Not that that helps from a philosophical point of view.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 09:35:50 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • David H. McCoy
     • Lisa Melton

     @davidhmccoy @lisamelton I pay for the hardware and OS when I purchase my device. Developers who don’t want to use the App Store don’t use their distribution channel. The marketing and trust benefits Apple above all.

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     David H. McCoy (davidhmccoy@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 09:35:51 JST David H. McCoy

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     • Lisa Melton

     @Gargron @lisamelton

     I know. They only make the hardware, the OS, the APIs, the distribution channel, the marketing, have the trust, did the R&D…what are they thinking?

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     Terci (terci@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 09:54:36 JST Terci

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     @Gargron Did no one there learn this lesson from Unity's last fiasco?

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     Charming Malcontent (charmingmalcontent@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 10:00:48 JST Charming Malcontent

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     @Gargron #Apple has ALWAYS been an overpriced pile of shite: surprised it's not been bought by #SpaceNazi Elmo

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     phiofx (phiofx@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 11:00:58 JST phiofx

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     • B. A. Balackus
     • Zoe Hendrickse

     @BigAngBlack @huffles some people say we should prefer android over #linux mobile because its security model is better. Dunno, never really warmed up to it. There is something claustrophobic and disagreeable about the #android experience, both as user and as developer. I really wish we hadn't wasted decades on it but there was no choice on the matter. This is what oligopolies do to you. They rob your life's options.

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     B. A. Balackus (bigangblack@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 11:00:59 JST B. A. Balackus

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     • Zoe Hendrickse

     @huffles

     Android is still open source, there are other versions besides the Google flavor. LineageOS and GrapheneOS pretty popular

     OnePlus is usually pretty good about their hardware, some manufacturers aren't shitty about it

     Linux mobile is still a work in progress

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     Cole Blankenship (basicwebguy@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 11:01:54 JST Cole Blankenship

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     @Gargron I was actually looking into GrapheneOS today as an alternative to iOS (paired with a Pixel).

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     Richy222 (richy222@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 11:55:16 JST Richy222

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     @Gargron Time to Boycott Greedy Corporations

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     Drake Narco (zoldos@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 16:38:43 JST Drake Narco

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     @Gargron I've always used Android. Love it!

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     phiofx (phiofx@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 17:23:01 JST phiofx

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     • just_a_frog
     • B. A. Balackus
     • Zoe Hendrickse

     @just_a_frog @BigAngBlack @huffles yeah, I dont think it is technical difficulties that hold back linux mobile, though obviously usability, security etc. need to upgrade a level if it is to become a mass device rather than remain a techie niche.

     But there is an entrenched cartel that is milking the situation based on business models that you don't want to replicate, so its an open issue how to incentivise people to go against it.

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     just_a_frog (just_a_frog@c.im)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 17:23:02 JST just_a_frog

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     • B. A. Balackus
     • phiofx
     • Zoe Hendrickse

     @phiofx @BigAngBlack @huffles

     Other than having a centralized arbiter for app distribution, there's no reason linux can't use an android like security model. That's pretty much what immutable distros and flatpaks are doing already anyway.

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     Adlangx (lightninhopkins@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 17:42:14 JST Adlangx

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     @Gargron I'm just kinda baffled that you didn't see this coming.

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     Charlie (boscozebra@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 18:05:31 JST Charlie

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     @Gargron Bummer or Congrats, whichever is appropriate.

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     phiofx (phiofx@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 18:37:59 JST phiofx

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     • tsk

     @tasket yeah, in this sense i suppose android is linux. But the design of that additional layer between OS and user does make a difference imho how attractive and useful to average user but also how enabling for app developers. You can have a "convergent" approach like #kdemobile or the browser as UI like #firefoxos etc.

     All in all I have this vague feeling that there are enough pieces of the puzzle on the table that somebody could solve it but somehow it doesnt happen for years now.

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     tsk (tasket@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 18:38:00 JST tsk

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     • phiofx

     @phiofx Linux is a synecdoche that only techies understand. It can't succeed as a consumer product.

     Build a reasonably complete stack on top of the Linux kernel, to the point where apps don't rely much on kernel specifics, and give it a decent default UI. Finally, don't ever refer to it as "Linux". Voila, you'll have something that might evolve into an Android competitor.

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     3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 19:04:16 JST 3dcandy

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     @Gargron Apple have, and always will be, a terrible company who think they are way above everybody else....

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     Metafrastis (dgavin@mastodon.online)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 20:30:29 JST Metafrastis

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     @Gargron It‘s fun to read all the answers here from nerds who hate Apple for reasons 99% of normal users wouldn‘t care a second about. Rants from people who value customization over usability, over design, over privacy and over security. You may know how to make your Android phone secure and private, but my parents (and most everybody else I know) sure as hell don‘t and never will.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 20:30:29 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Metafrastis

     @dgavin Presenting it as a dichotomy between customization and usability or security is simply disingenious. Nobody is taking away system permission APIs, and the App Store never prevented an ugly or inaccessible app from being published. I don't understand why you need to so vigourously defend the rent-seeking behaviour of a three trillion dollar corporation.

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     heavyboots (heavyboots@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 10:10:05 JST heavyboots

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     • HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

     @HistoPol @Gargron If you want to reclaim privacy, just enable E2E on your iPhone? I don’t see how E2E is gonna be that much different regardless of platform.

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     Hobbs (hobbs@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 09:27:13 JST Hobbs

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     @Gargron what about the cost of developing all the developer facing api’s?