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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:27 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
@Bro-Drillard @sickburnbro @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde What's odd to me is how nobody pushes back against their assumptions on meat production and its environmental effects. Water usage claims are the biggest lie and simplest to dispute. There's published papers from the 90s that completely contradict them as well as testimony from various ranchers in arid areas. They're off by orders of magnitude and nobody calls them out. The water cycle exists, but we have to pretend otherwise. As if rain hitting a pasture somehow means that California's almonds won't survive. Boo hoo

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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:21 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @BowsacNoodle @not_br549 @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde The key is hey, lets stop letting the 3rd world throw plastics in the rivers and a few other common sense things.
  
  Like, maybe use wax coated modern honeycomb cardboard for a lot of things.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:22 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @not_br549 @sickburnbro @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde Probably true, but India's cows are regularly brought up as if they're biggest methane producer on earth. I understand the passion regarding environmentalism, I just want it to be focused the right direction. Micro plastics are a bigger concern than any of this stuff, and they've appeared basically everywhere on earth. We've got a good while until something figures out how to properly eat them, and then we have an even bigger concern. Plastic is gay. Bring back wood.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:22 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @BowsacNoodle @not_br549 @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde don't worry, there are already bacteria that eat plastics, the key is the plastic has to be small enough for them to do it.
  
  microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Plastic-eating_Bacteria
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  Where's Major Kong? (not_br549@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:23 JST Where's Major Kong?
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  @BowsacNoodle @sickburnbro @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde methane from cows is irrelevant. methane from thawing permafrost, maybe relevant, gargantuan amounts are being released. any other methane sources are too small to matter.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:24 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @not_br549 @CatLord @BowsacNoodle @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde ruminants are crazy like that. walking fermentation labs
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:24 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @sickburnbro @not_br549 @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde The other thing environmentalists are deebly goncerned about is the methane gas that cows release. If this is that big if an issue, we could do methane scrubbing via hydroxyl–aka the '-OH'– in H2O or just collect and burn it in factory farms. Most organic waste releases methane. It isn't just from cows.
  
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  DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:25 JST DM me cats :nv:
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  @BowsacNoodle @sickburnbro @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde I have a cousin who insists that we will eat bugs because beef and shit are unsustainable and bad for environment etc. If u can poast refutations, I'd be grateful. 🙂
  
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  Where's Major Kong? (not_br549@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:25 JST Where's Major Kong?
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  @CatLord @BowsacNoodle @sickburnbro @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde Cows do an interesting thing -- they eat grass, which is poor in protein, and convert some of it into protein. Other animals do not do that, and cannot create protein from lower-quality food sources.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:26 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @sickburnbro @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde You're right. Maybe I should dig these up and post it here. We gotta try and filter that to normiesphere political discourse.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:14:27 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @BowsacNoodle @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde People do push back, but only the voices they want to hear get amplified.
  
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  hydramacready :confederateflag: :poast_hat: (hydramacready@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:28 JST hydramacready :confederateflag: :poast_hat:
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  @Victor_Emmanuel @sickburnbro @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @Marakus @LouisConde The dust bowl was due to a few things like poor soil management and a drought at the same time
  
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  Victor_Emmanuel (victor_emmanuel@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:29 JST Victor_Emmanuel
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  @sickburnbro @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde Then why isn't it still that way?
  
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  Victor_Emmanuel (victor_emmanuel@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:30 JST Victor_Emmanuel
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  @sickburnbro @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde If agriculture was capable of displacing that much water then shouldn't the Midwest be a desert?
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:30 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @Victor_Emmanuel @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl ?
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    Dust Bowl
    
    The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s. The phenomenon was caused by a combination of natural factors (severe drought) and human-made factors: a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent wind erosion, most notably the destruction of the natural topsoil by settlers in the region. The drought came in three waves: 1934, 1936, and 1939–1940, but some regions of the High Plains experienced drought conditions for as long as eight years. It exacerbated an already existing agricultural recession. The Dust Bowl has been the subject of many cultural works, including John Steinbeck's 1939 novel The Grapes of Wrath; the Dust Bowl Ballads of Woody Guthrie; and Dorothea Lange's photographs depicting the conditions of migrants, particularly Migrant Mother, taken in 1936. Geographic characteristics and early history The Dust Bowl area lies principally west of the 100th meridian on the High Plains, characterized by plains that...
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  Victor_Emmanuel (victor_emmanuel@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:31 JST Victor_Emmanuel
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  @sickburnbro @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde I can see how that might be a problem, but its not like we can run out of water.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:31 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @Victor_Emmanuel @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde Right; the problem is that you can maybe take too much fresh water out of a region and screw things up.
  
  But California has already done that.
  
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  Victor_Emmanuel (victor_emmanuel@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:32 JST Victor_Emmanuel
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  @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @sickburnbro @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde Who gives a shit how much water they take up? It all evaporates and forms clouds eventually.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:32 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @Victor_Emmanuel @BowsacNoodle @CatLord @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde There are a few reasons to care
  - don't want to pull all groundwater out, could have unknown side effects
  - increasing water too much could increase cloud coverage which *could* actually have uncool greenhouse effects
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 10-May-2026 07:32:33 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @CatLord @sickburnbro @Bro-Drillard @hydramacready @Marakus @LouisConde pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8478283/#fft
  >Estimation of the water requirement for beef production in the United States
  J L Beckett et al. J Anim Sci. 1993 Apr.
  
  >The model estimates 3,682 L of developed water per kilogram of boneless meat for beef cattle production in the United States.
  
  Compared that to the following:
  
  sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308521X18305675
  
  >Environmental footprints of beef cattle production in the United States C. Alan Rotz, Greg Thoma
  
  Referenced in infographic.
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