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   Kawa Tora (kawatora@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 05:56:39 JST Kawa Tora

   Normal People: What was the civil war fought over?

   White Supremacists: It was about states' rights.

   Normal People: States' rights to do what exactly?

   White Supremacists: To make and enforce their own laws.

   Normal People: Laws regarding what?

   White Supremacists: Property and theft.

   Normal People: What kind of property? Theft of what?

   White Supremacists: Well, people were stealing slaves and taking them to free states.

   Normal People: Who was stealing slaves?

   White Supremacists: The slaves were stealing themselves by running to the North and those damn Yankees didn't want to send them back.

   Normal People: So what did the South do about it?

   White Supremacists: They got a federal law passed in 1850, that forced the Northern states to ignore their own laws against slavery and recognize the South's right to have escaped slaves sent back. It was called the Fugitive Slave Act.

   Normal People: So you pushed for a new federal law to force states to ignore their own state laws and constitutions in the name of "states' rights", is that correct?

   White Supremacists: Yep,

   Normal People: Then what happened?

   White Supremacists: Those damn Yankees got control of the house and the senate and the presidency and tried to ban slavery nationwide.

   Normal People: So they wanted to use a federal law to force Southern states to change their laws, kind of like with the Fugitive Slave Act you pushed for a decade earlier, right?

   White Supremacists: No, this was different because this time it affected the South.

   Normal People: So what happened as a result?

   White Supremacists: We decided to commit treason against the USA and start our own country to keep slaves.

   Normal People: So you admit the Civil War was about slavery.

   White Supremacists: No it was about states' rights. States have rights to own slaves but no rights to refuse to recognize slavery.

   #NikkiHaley #CivilWar #Slavery #Christofascist #GOP #ItWasAboutSlavery

   Edit: Wow, a lot of people boosted and favorited this. Thank you.

   I see a similar situation with women's reproductive rights right now. Some states already have laws that criminalize leaving the state to get medical care and subject women and anyone who aids them to lengthy prison sentences.
   A Fugitive Reproductive Slave Act, if you will.
   The Christofascists will lose both houses, the presidency and the Supreme Court because of it
   #Dobbs #roevwade

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     Kawa Tora (kawatora@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 08:18:14 JST Kawa Tora

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     • Paul Sutton

     @zleap
     The Fugitive Slave Act was federal law as well. It affected all the states. Before that law was passed by a Southern controlled federal government, an escaped slave could be harbored and helped by anyone in a free state and there was nothing the slave state could do about it. They used to send bounty hunters north to track down escaped slaves, but if free black men or white men who sided with freedom stood up to the bounty hunters, they had to leave empty handed. Black people lived in segregated communities in the North. They formed vigilance committees which were like militias that required all able bodied men to come with guns if the alarm was sounded. Many slave catchers found themselves surrounded by armed black men when they tried to recapture former slaves from Northern black towns. The Fugitive Slave Act made helping those former slaves a federal felony.

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     Paul Sutton (zleap@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 08:18:15 JST Paul Sutton

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     @KawaTora

     The way you presented this is excellent. I guess the federal law was nationwide, just affected states that had slavery, which were in the south. In which case, the argument that it targeted the south is perhaps flawed.

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     Calico Jesse (deinol@dice.camp)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 08:18:24 JST Calico Jesse

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     • Paul Sutton

     @zleap @KawaTora

     The above back and forth isn’t totally correct. There were no new laws about slavery.

     The anti-slavery party won the presidency for the first time ever, and the south preemptively rebelled before he could even take office.

     The “let’s compromise with evil for peace” attitude of the time likely would have allowed slavery to continue, just prevent future states from allowing slavery.

     The slave states overreacted and got burned for it. Literally.

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     Urzl (gooba42@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 08:18:27 JST Urzl

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     @KawaTora Ultimately the most fucked thing about this argument is that the Confederates themselves didn't make it.

     They openly and explicitly stated their rebellion was about white supremacy and slavery, even to the point of telling us their flag stood for the supremacy of the white race.

     It's only people that came after and want an acceptable veneer to hide behind who deal in this states' rights nonsense.

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     Exiled New Yorker - Connie (pagan_animist@beekeeping.ninja)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 08:18:30 JST Exiled New Yorker - Connie

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     • Urzl

     @gooba42 @KawaTora

     I once had a discussion with a Southern Scholar of the Civil War.

     BA, PHD, something that took years and a dissertation.

     The topic came up and I said “you cannot deny that it was about sla ….”
     “NO! I know what you were going to say and you are wrong. I ought to know, I wrote my dissertation on that very topic!”

     “Okay but see, it’s right here in the first sentence of *this* state’s secession papers. They wrote this!”

     “Obviously you have no understanding of history.”

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     Kawa Tora (kawatora@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2023 08:18:33 JST Kawa Tora

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     • Urzl

     @gooba42
     The founding documents of the Confederacy made it crystal clear what they wanted and that they believed it was the will of God that Africans be slaves to Whites