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   PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 03:22:49 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer
   So today I decided to get a post off my chest, I don't think there will be any future art sites and the future will be federated.
   
   Coding one is above my pay grade, but I decided to make this to hopefully influence someone out there.
   https://pleromanonx86.wordpress.com/2023/12/25/a-federated-art-site-proposal/
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 03:28:55 JST 

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     @Pawlicker I think @japananon is still hosting a Tor instance for his Onionket event, which serves as a general-purpose instance for artists you can tip with Monero thanks to built-in function of Mitra. Basically Twitter and Patreon in one flask. The content is what you'd expect from baraag timeline, but that's beyond the point. It proves that it's less of technical issue as we already have the technology, and more of a social one. Majority of artists I've seen happen to be not too techincally inclined, to say politely, and also strong conformists rejecting whatever hivemind deemed bad (AI, crypto).
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:02:00 JST 

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     @get @Pawlicker I can say for sure fchan died due to CP spam because it is a chan and not because it's federated. You can leave any basic TinyIB installation unattended for a week and you'll be sure to return to at least one "vid pic lolita" spam post.
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     get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: (get@glee.li)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:02:01 JST get@glee.li :adm1::adm2:

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     @Pawlicker oh great another thing to eventually get ruined because of feds spamming child porn all over it. RIP fedichan
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:03:35 JST 

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     @get @Pawlicker I'm saying that as someone who wasted his teens on hosting a bunch of imageboards. At least I developed some basic sysadmin skills.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:06:26 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @mint @get every dead imageboard is like this too
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:08:10 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @mint @get Josh had the same shit happen when he tried to run 9chan as well but even when he filtered that out (he had access to the cuckflare database before the war with brick face happened), what made him offload it was when some fedposter made a threat towards Israel leading to the fbi contacting him.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:09:17 JST 

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     @Pawlicker @get Yeah, fedposting was less of a thing in Russian chanosphere. People mostly used it as an escape from life rather than a background commentary to it.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:12:22 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @mint @get arguably it's a newer thing too.
     
     It's only nowadays that people use the web as an escape, for many people iexplore.exe was a game. The internet was only an escape if your life was completely broken irl and that's why the extremely online types are the way they are.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:16:46 JST 

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     @Pawlicker @get /rf/ (and /nhk/ on 0chan) were wizardchan before wizardchan. Maybe even more schizophrenic.
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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:37:57 JST laurel

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     Misskey, judging by its wide usage, seems to provide most of the functions artists are interested in.
     For now, social discoverability works well enough. Tagging and some sort of content taxonomy could be added.
     A fedi instance build with an extensible architecture supporting addons would be nice.
     
     Tell you the truth I think that the way forward is real decentralized communities. I've been looking at how the Ethereum community is organized which despite massive shilling attempts it is still functioning. And they do this by having multiple sites, each with a different purpose. They have a developer's forum, a couple of subreddits, a stackexchange, a feature development forum, newsletters, irl meetings, etc.
     
     Btw, is any one of ourguys running a lemmy server?
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:38:44 JST 

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     @laurel @Pawlicker >Tagging
     Enter DRC.
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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:46:05 JST laurel

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     >Enter DRC.
     detroitriotcity?
     Democratic Republic of Congo?
     Which one is it?
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:47:04 JST 

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     @laurel @Pawlicker No matter which one it is, you still get #raped.
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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:49:47 JST laurel

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     That's okay, a lot of those tumblr-tier degens like it.
     Pretty sure there was a female tumblr subculture where they'd intentionally get into situations where they'd get raped because rape was the best expression of being wanted.
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 05:28:41 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @mint @japananon It's funny because someone I know did digging on graphic art programs used by 90s computer artists in Japan, and one trend he found is that a lot of artists back then were actually also computer nerds and/or programmers. I'm talking, "writing a program to use a Wacom on your PC-98 in DOS" inclined.
     
     https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2023/10/21/list-of-vintage-japanese-pixel-dot-art-software/
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 05:29:43 JST 

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     @Pawlicker @japananon Computers weren't as bogus until like mid-2000s, so if you had computer before then, chances are you were interested in how they work.
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 05:33:10 JST pomstan

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     @Pawlicker @japananon @mint so 16-bit sensation lied about cute dorky pc-98 graphic artists?... niggers.

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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 05:35:21 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @pomstan @japananon @mint I mean; this is how PC-98 music composers looked back in the day.
     Sega-Stars-Yuzo-Koshiro-1.jpg
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 05:40:48 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @mint @japananon Also programming was lower level, at least with computers with DOS/BASIC/similar OSes you were very low to the hardware level as opposed to UNIX or Windows NT. This was even more important with consoles.
     
     Case in point; one chiptune composer talking about how a pinball machine was programmed by syncing up sound and audio on lowly m6809 hardware and talking about a lost art when FM Synthesis died off; making a soundtrack never "skip" a note and being completely dynamic. Essentially when something like the ball drain would happen the game would switch soundtracks (and the iMUSE system in Dark Forces did something similar).
     
     https://www.gamedeveloper.com/audio/interactive-audio-in-black-knight-2000-the-importance-of-integration
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 05:50:06 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @pomstan @japananon @mint at least if you look up what a lot of 90s era Japanese PC game composers looked like back in the day, they definitely had the "nerd" appearance. I'm sure the same applies with the programmers and graphic artists.
     
     Oh, and they made some real bangers for game OSTs that can't even scrape 10k views. Like Keishi Yonao for example made some truly banger X68000 OSTs that made full use of the OPM.
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX8SgMqbrSw
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R8lIOxxNpY&list=PLzFTGYa_evXgd6zKY71YSsSUNYSd8hCMS&index=3
     https://youtu.be/r5V-FXLs1Pc
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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 05:55:31 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @japananon @mint @pomstan and then there's Ryu Umemoto (RIP) who made some very "outsider" sounding VGM at times. The shop demo song (which is also on FMP Music Disk 5 if you want to hear it on your PC-98/emulator) comes to mind:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLOqRHi927g
     
     Other OSTs and random tracks:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV1DbMjWuFE
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwfI-oLGFgo
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     チャノさん (japananon@mitra.anon-kenkai.com)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 15:25:36 JST チャノさん

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     @mint @Pawlicker Mainly made to a) see if it was possible, and b) what kind of response and uptake it would get

     >it's less of technical issue as we already have the technology, and more of a social one

     Based on results, I agree. The tools are there, most people just aren't willing/able to use them. I'm just here for the fractional number of outliers who are.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 01:46:47 JST Sexy Moon

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     @japananon @Pawlicker @mint I haven't tried Misskey but an art site needs a gallery and collaborative tagging at least probably and I don't think any servers have that yet.
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     Grey Area (greyarea@mitra.vpclmulqdq.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 09:49:12 JST Grey Area

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     >Majority of artists I've seen happen to be not too techincally inclined, to say politely, and also strong conformists rejecting whatever hivemind deemed bad (AI, crypto).

     I don't blame them. The vast majority of both generative AI and crypto are bullshit that should be rejected.

     Mitra is pretty great. XMR is pretty great. AI when used for creative purposes is pretty great.

     The counterpoint is, the overwhelming majority of crypto is poorly designed/coded bullshit, And AI is the current buzzword de jour.

     It takes a fairly informed understanding of AI and crypto to discern the value proposition, and I'd rather the art people focus on art rather than becoming technologists.

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     チャノさん (japananon@mitra.anon-kenkai.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 15:28:20 JST チャノさん

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     >The vast majority of both generative AI and crypto are bullshit that should be rejected

     They are, but I think a lot of people blindly hate it because they're told to without really understanding why, so they end up throwing out the good with the bad.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 19:29:28 JST Sexy Moon

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     @japananon @Pawlicker @silverpill @mint yes but also, and I guess this isn't _strictly_ needed, the ability to add or remove tags from images.
     
     for instance pleroma right now doesn't really let you tag images, you can tag posts that contain images.
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     チャノさん (japananon@mitra.anon-kenkai.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 19:29:29 JST チャノさん

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     @Moon @mint @Pawlicker I remember asking @silverpill to include a gallery in Mitra accounts. I'm not sure what "collaborative tagging" entails, though.. you mean like tags for images that can be easily searched?

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 00:59:28 JST silverpill

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     @japananon @mint @Pawlicker @Moon I did add it https://mitra.social/@silverpill/gallery but haven't touched since then due to a lack of feedback. There's a lot of room for improvement.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 02:05:33 JST Sexy Moon

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     @silverpill @Pawlicker @japananon @mint I'll test it out later today, I have a mitra instance, thank you!
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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 02:14:17 JST silverpill

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     @trades @mint @Pawlicker @japananon @Moon Yeah, I should add that box. Is it alright if I copy Mastodon's behavior?

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     @silverpill @mint @Moon @japananon @Pawlicker I have some feedback for images in the TL: mitra-web would be better if it had the ability to "open" an image and zoom in, didn't even know about the gallery until now, very cool, but could use that "shadow box" sort of setup too.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 02:33:40 JST silverpill

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     @Pawlicker @mint @japananon @Moon That would be great. Mitra backend is written in Rust and *bsd variants are listed among supported platforms, so I expect it to work.

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     PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 02:33:41 JST PC-9801 Enjoyer

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     @silverpill @japananon @mint @Moon I just heard about this.
     
     I should see if mitra runs on bsd or illumos one day
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     Tadano (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 04:57:08 JST Tadano

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     @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @Pawlicker @japananon @mint @pomstan band kids coping that their existences are pure faggotry by trying to act like high school bullies in a 90's movie: the closest thing to a dominant/masculine figure in their collectively detached reality
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     GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME, WHITOID ?‍? ? (cumskinfoidpuncher69420@beefyboys.win)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 04:57:09 JST GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME, WHITOID ?‍? ?

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     "Hey this nerd stuff is pretty cool. Now if only if it weren't for those fucking nerds"
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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 11:44:31 JST silverpill

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     @trades @mint @Pawlicker @japananon @Moon I added lightbox in v2.7.0, and gallery was improved as well

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     @silverpill @mint @Moon @japananon @Pawlicker I think that's fine, the ability to zoom on pleroma-fe can get in the way, but some might like that too idk