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   Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿 (woodbark@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 06:23:49 JST Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿

   hm, I do not resonate with the name "Metacrisis" for the entanglement of the current ongoing crisis. "The metacrisis is the total ecosystem of all global crises and the common underlying dynamics that generate catastrophic and existential risks."

   What alternative names are there that I might not be aware of?

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     Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿 (woodbark@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:00:34 JST Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿

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     • Adam Greenfield

     @adamgreenfield This instantly sparks connections to convergent/divergent emergence patterns. hm

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     Adam Greenfield (adamgreenfield@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:00:36 JST Adam Greenfield

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     @woodbark You know I’ve been using “the Long Emergency,” though that obviously has its own issues.

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     Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿 (woodbark@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:01:20 JST Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿

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     • Vesna Manojlovic

     @becha isnt the meaning of Polycrisis a set of parallel ongoing crisis without necessarily entanglement? Or do i have a brain fart here?

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     Vesna Manojlovic (becha@social.v.st)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:01:22 JST Vesna Manojlovic

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     @woodbark polycrisis ?

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     simsa03 (simsa03@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 08:34:45 JST simsa03

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     • band
     Pursuing a different interst, I came across the concept of "meta-complexity" recently: https://www.quantamagazine.org/complexity-theorys-50-year-journey-to-the-limits-of-knowledge-20230817/
     
     «By studying these inward-looking questions, researchers have learned that the hardness of proving computational hardness is intimately tied to fundamental questions that may at first seem unrelated. How hard is it to spot hidden patterns in apparently random data? And if truly hard problems do exist, how often are they hard?
     
     “It’s become clear that meta-complexity is close to the heart of things,” said Scott Aaronson, a complexity theorist at the University of Texas, Austin.
     
     This is the story of the long and winding trail that led researchers from the P versus NP problem to meta-complexity. It hasn’t been an easy journey — the path is littered with false turns and roadblocks, and it loops back on itself again and again. Yet for meta-complexity researchers, that journey into an uncharted landscape is its own reward. Start asking seemingly simple questions, said Valentine Kabanets, a complexity theorist at Simon Fraser University in Canada, and “you have no idea where you’re going to go.”»
     
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     tinydoctor (tinydoctor@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 08:41:03 JST tinydoctor

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     • simsa03

     @simsa03 @woodbark Valentine Kabanets is a perfect name.

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     simsa03 (simsa03@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 08:50:01 JST simsa03

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     • tinydoctor
     Yep, he's mentioned in the paper I linked to.
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     Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿 (woodbark@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 17:23:59 JST Walkaway Friendly Localist 🌿

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     • tinydoctor

     @tinydoctor @simsa03

     hm, this meta-complecity sounds from the first view (and without deeper dive into) as a try to compute the "wicked problem" approach to systems by Horst Rittel.

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     simsa03 (simsa03@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 25-Dec-2023 00:13:33 JST simsa03

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     That could, inadvertently, be the case.
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     simsa03 (simsa03@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 25-Dec-2023 01:29:09 JST simsa03

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     • tinydoctor
     @tinydoctor Oh, I only now get the irony, sorry :-)