Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
When you block an instance, your posts will no longer be "delivered" but they may be "retrieved", says Gargron. 👇
https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/111617209594986118
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#ActivityPub #FediPact #Fediverse #MastoAdmin #Mastodon #Meta #privacy #security #Threads
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 I don’t get the concern over scraping. You don’t need to be federated to scrape. You can access every toot on most instances without even an account. Locking them down breaks a lot of the usefulness of searching other instances etc. If your concern is scraping the Fedipact won’t stop that. Here is your toot being viewed without being signed in via a browser:
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 the food it needs so they move on.
Since most of these instances are a labor of love that are paid for out of pocket, just create an instance for the community that wants to block threads. Mastodon and all the instances isn’t a multi-billion dollar corporation. I get not everyone has the cash, but somebody that shares those feelings do for sure.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 That’s how Twitter was until very recently when they required everyone to be logged in to see tweets. That said, Mastodon is a different beast since it is decentralized. You can block or get somebody banned and they can just crest an account somewhere else or even create their own server.
I also admit I don’t understand how people become targeted. I’ve been targeted by alt-right people many of times, but as soon as you stop engaging with them their amoeba like brains don’t get…
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 Yeah, this is a decentralized service. The instances have zero to do with each other other than sharing information. I don’t see this changing unless you run your own instance. Things would have to be centralized in moderation for what you want to work and nobody would ever agree on the rules.
Create a server and wall it off from servers you don’t like. That’s the only way really.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 Right on. I'm all for people using this platform how they see fit. Expectations are fine, but the majority of these instances aren't for profit, so nobody is owed anything, so people need to understand that and make their own place.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 Email is a whole other thing. Emails aren't public to those not on the send list.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 Because where does the entitlement come that they owes it to anyone to do it their way. Just create your own server with some other people that feel the same way you do. People with these high demands need to do something themselves if they want to see change.
I'm not against what you are saying, but this "somebody else needs to meet our needs" is a centralized service hangover. That mentality needs to go. Do it yourself. Be the change you want.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 That's great! That's what I like about this place, so what's the problem them? Serious question.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 Mastodon is open source, so if the feature doesn't exist, just add it yourself.
The whole point of this is creating communities that meets what you want, so if it doesn't just create your own, set it up and add features you like, migrate your account there.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 It was a broad statement. Then just create a new instance and migrate there. There are a lot of people bent out of shape over this, but I don't understand why they just don't make their own instance. Again, be the change...
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 I don't think so, because it comes down to if you don't like what is happening where you already are. Just go somewhere else or make a new place that is exactly what you want. How is that impossible?
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 It's not that. It's that outragey tone of that they feel they are taking anything of value away as punishment to the instance they are currently on when it just means the other server will be federated with them unless the new one wants to cut off the nose to spite the face and that's fine too.
We aren't on the same instance and we are having this conversation. See my point?
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 I get that, but there are a lot of people calling for every instance to defederate with Threads or they will also be added to their instance of defederated instances. I'm just sick of everything having to be polarizing toxic bullshit.
They need to "git gud" then. If you got time to post on here, you got time to learn.
Yeah they do, but they aren't taking it with them when they migrate. All their followers will still see their post unless the new instance defederates.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 Meta isn't going to be able to take this place over by design. It's decentralized and the software is open source. Even if all the core Mastodon servers went down because Meta bought them, Famichiki and the likes would stay up. Surely a group would work on the code and to bring security updates as they arise and quality of life upgrades too. There is nothing Meta can do to take this down.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 That's fine. Time will tell, but how can they take any of this away if you aren't on a core instance? Where is the worry other than blind fear? I haven't seen any examples given anywhere.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 You know how you get around that? Stop catering to the "but my feelings..." crowd. Don't let Meta control development. They either stay on the same page as the fediverse, or they create a fork that leaves them by themselves. If most of the fediverse users are on Threads, then so be it. Let Meta decide to fork away, but we never put them in control of development. They can adapt or fork. Never bend to them....
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 I don't know how much you know about Bitcoin, but the fear at first was the same thing. The governments would come along and pretend to play along or some major bank etc. They would try to influence the code updates to the blockchain and would eventually take it over. Being that Bitcoin is open source everyone can review the code. If most of the miners don't adopt then it's a failed update. If around only 50% adopt, then there is a fork and that new version becomes it's own thing.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 If people are too dumb to leave threads, and threads forks ActiveityPub, then bye-bye to them. We will be fine. Any Mastodon instance worth their salt will stay on our side of things. It's a non-issue.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 If they give up control then I imagine an independent version will appear. The code needs to stay open so everyone can review it. The minute it goes closed, that version is toxic.
I think it's important to keep expectations for the fediverse taking over in check. I think it will remain independent with most of the current instances staying around. An explosion of instances during period by the casuals will mean they will chose the wrong side. We'll be fine though.
TomatoGrilledCheese :saitama:
@tokyo_0 The majority never will, but there is enough of us that will. Look at Mastodon now. These are all people that are sick of the bullshit. The casuals aren't even here yet.
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