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   Ukraine News 🇺🇦 (ukrainenews@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 11:19:39 JST Ukraine News 🇺🇦

   #Ukraine's brave Warriors have not asked any other Country to send their soldiers to fight, all they ask is we supply weapons and munitions. It is not asking a lot from the world. #SlavaUkraïni 🇺🇦

   #StandWithUkraine
   #ArmUkraineNow 🙏

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     HeavenlyPossum (heavenlypossum@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 11:19:42 JST HeavenlyPossum

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX @Ukrainenews

     You do not have to take the security concerns of Vladimir Putin seriously.

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     KarunaX (karunax@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 11:19:43 JST KarunaX

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     @Ukrainenews #Ukraine could have abided by the Minsk Accords in 2014. Or 2015. Or the Steinmeier formula in 2019. Or signed the draft Istanbul treaty in 2022 committing Ukraine to NOT enter #NATO in return for peace with Russia. Instead, the US, UK & NATO pushed Ukraine into an unwinnable war which has seen over a 100,000 dead Ukrainians, & many more maimed for life. Ukraine is destroyed for decades through the loss of a generation of men - all to feed the US war machine's proxy war on #Russia.

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     ohiorob (ohiorob@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 11:19:48 JST ohiorob

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX @Ukrainenews

     Or #Russia could have stayed the fuck within its own borders and not try and dictate the affairs of neighboring. #ukraine

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:10 JST clacke

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX More countries have joined NATO because Russia has shown what happens to countries that couldn't join quickly enough. Ukraine wishes it would have allowed to join in 2014 when the invasion started.

     Putin, NATO Salesperson of the Year 2022.

     @Ukrainenews

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     Joe Sticker (joesticker@mastodon.nu)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:22 JST Joe Sticker

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX @Ukrainenews Why don’t start with open elections in Russia?

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     polezaivsani (polezaivsani@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:25 JST polezaivsani

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     • Joe Sticker

     @KarunaX This is ridiculous. All political opposition is either in jail (Kara-Murza, Yashin, Navalny, etc.) or in exile (ACF team, Khodorkovsky to name a few), free press is ousted completely (not a single domestic press outlet says things opposing the Kremlin narratives), election monitoring is thwarted with only chosen few allowed (see Golos cases). I could go on too.

     Your claims are abject nonsense.

     @joesticker @Ukrainenews

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     KarunaX (karunax@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:27 JST KarunaX

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     • Joe Sticker

     @joesticker @Ukrainenews Where on earth did you get the belief that Russia doesn't have open elections??? Russia's electoral system certainly shares many of the same faults as the US (eg both are rigged to maintain the power of wealthy & influential incumbents and their supporters, & both use mechanisms to prevent the rise of independents who could disrupt a tightly controlled party system). But a lack of open elections is not a valid criticism. #russia #us

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     polezaivsani (polezaivsani@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:35 JST polezaivsani

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX You provided zero supporting evidence to back your claims (the US instigating the 2014 coup, Ukrainians killing Russians, etc). I've given you one extended document proving all of it false.

     I get it if you don't want to listen to the opposing views, but dismissing it on the grounds of not being done to your liking is wrong.

     Cheers!

     @ohiorob @Ukrainenews

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     KarunaX (karunax@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:36 JST KarunaX

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     • ohiorob

     @polezaivsani @ohiorob @Ukrainenews Look, if you don't want to discuss it just leave me alone. Go away. I hate muting people, because at some point you will have something interesting to say that I would like to hear. But any more attempts to waste my time by not bothering to discuss but sending me off to watch your preferred propaganda videos will leave me no choice.

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     polezaivsani (polezaivsani@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:38 JST polezaivsani

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX Are you impervious to information in lengths exceeding tidbit's? Go watch it, instead of bickering. Or don't, I suspect you not arguing in good faith and am not going to go out of my way providing summaries for your trolling pleasure.

     Yes, it's a long, there is a text version linked in the video footnotes. The curious folks are likely to get a comprehensive outlook of Putin's Russia stoking this conflict since the end of 2013. @ohiorob @Ukrainenews

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     KarunaX (karunax@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:40 JST KarunaX

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     • ohiorob

     @polezaivsani @ohiorob @Ukrainenews Now you want everyone to waste their time rather than offer a brief outline of your arguments.

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     polezaivsani (polezaivsani@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:41 JST polezaivsani

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX Busy spreading the slanderous claims you mean? You can expect me on calling you out on the lies uttered then.

     I don't expect you'd change your mind, but for those who might want to look for evidence refuting the false claims @KarunaX posited, the above documentary has plenty objective facts to do so.
     @ohiorob @Ukrainenews

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     KarunaX (karunax@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:43 JST KarunaX

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     • ohiorob

     @polezaivsani @ohiorob @Ukrainenews I'm rather busy, so please make a point if you have one rather than try to direct me to videos that may (or may not) be at all relevant.

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     polezaivsani (polezaivsani@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:45 JST polezaivsani

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     • KarunaX

     @KarunaX Ukro-Nazis? Here, check https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4fHbJL_mZUc out and, please, stop spreading this nonsense. @ohiorob @Ukrainenews

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     KarunaX (karunax@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:43:46 JST KarunaX

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     @ohiorob @Ukrainenews Sure, Russia could have stayed out of Ukraine, & let Ukro-nazis keep murdering ethnic Russians who lived in eastern Ukraine (as they had done since the 2014 US engineered coup). Russia could also have let one of the most corrupt Govts on earth (that's according to Western media!) place NATO's nuclear missiles on its borders, 600 miles from Moscow. I imagine Washington would be equally happy if Russia placed nuclear missiles somewhere like, say, Cuba? #russia #ukraine #us