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   feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 00:34:01 JST feld
   Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use Tesla’s EV charging plug - The Verge https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/19/24008426/volkswagen-audi-porsche-tesla-nacs-ev-charging-plug
   
   
   Haters gonna hate, but the "design by committee" plug CCS2 fucking sucks
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 00:34:49 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld do these sites tend to have an anti tesla bias?
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 00:37:08 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @feld I guarantee you the Tesla plug was also designed by a committee within Tesla. Something like that wouldn't have been prototyped by some guy in his garage.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 00:48:58 JST feld

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     • Sexy Moon
     @Moon anti-Musk inevitably becomes blind Tesla rage. Musk sucks but everyone likes to exaggerate about the cars. 🤷
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:17:25 JST feld

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     • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
     @tk The NACS connector was designed as part of the original Model S under the supervision of Peter Rawlinson, who went on to run Lucid
     
     I can't find more info than that but the committee was basically Peter from what I can tell
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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:18:34 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     @feld I didn't know the original Roadster had its own thing.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:20:59 JST feld

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     • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
     @tk me either! It is different
     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: likes this.
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     Reay Jespersen (reay@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 04:23:56 JST Reay Jespersen

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     • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

     @tk @feld Why acquiesce?

     Why not just get together with other companies and work on an agreed-upon plug design they all use? Better still: Don’t make it proprietary. Let any manufacturer who wants to use that same plug system use it.

     Behold: VW, Porsche, Audi, BMW, Volvo and let’s say Ford all agree upon one plug design they’ll all use and that any other manufacturer can use for free. You’re telling me that won’t have a good chance of becoming the standard?

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 04:23:56 JST feld

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     • Reay Jespersen
     @reay @tk I think you're behind on the developments here
     
     Tesla made a really good charging standard because the existing ones were years behind the needs of Tesla's car production timeline (too low powered)
     
     SAE released CCS2 and it's bad for many reasons: still behind the specs of Tesla's, connector is huge and obnoxious, the cables are too large and become especially difficult to use in the winter because they get so stiff
     
     Everyone besides Tesla was onboard with CCS2, and then they realised all the public chargers sucked, the customers hate it, and Tesla's charging system dwarfs everything else.
     
     Now they've all capitulated and decided to use Tesla's standard which is now open and known as NACS, and SAE is officially designating it as J3400 now.
     
     So it has become a real open standard.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 06:21:11 JST feld

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     • Reay Jespersen
     @reay @tk Tesla’s only where they are today because they did have advancements over everyone else. Sure, the government money printer helped them avoid being acquired when they should have run out of money, but they built better batteries and their motors are still more efficient than any of the competitors, especially because their electric motor design (PSMR) was a breakthrough
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M1ZtsLet3s
     
     
     They have good engineers at Tesla, but none of them are named "Musk".
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     Reay Jespersen (reay@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 06:21:12 JST Reay Jespersen

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     @feld @tk I wasn’t caught up on all that, for sure.

     Just surprising these days that Tesla is at all ahead of any technical advancements on anyone.