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   Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 15:09:01 JST Tim Chambers

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   • Hrefna (DHC)
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   @hrefna you might also check out @help

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 15:09:02 JST Hrefna (DHC)

     I'm looking for exemplars in their category who document their integration with ActivityPub—not all of the systems do.

     So far I have:

     * Mastodon
     * BookWyrm
     * PeerTube
     * Mobilizon
     * Pixelfed

     I cannot find documentation on the support for (in my casual search):

     * Friendica
     * Lemmy/Kbin
     * Hubzilla

     #ActivityPub

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 15:09:05 JST Hrefna (DHC)

     No no, definitely haven't lost my mind, noooo

     #ActivityPub

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     Matthias Pfefferle (pfefferle@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:49:11 JST Matthias Pfefferle

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     • Hrefna (DHC)
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     @hrefna @chris @tchambers @help as the underdog, we (WordPress) have to still work on the "classic" features to keep up with the big networks, before we will be able to "do our own thing".

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     Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 (chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:49:14 JST Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

     • Matthias Pfefferle
     • Hrefna (DHC)
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     @hrefna @tchambers @help and Wordpress ActivityPub integration? @pfefferle

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     small circle 🕊 in calmness (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:49:57 JST small circle 🕊 in calmness

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     • Hrefna (DHC)

     @django @hrefna

     I was about to point to the informal practice of having a FEDERATION.md. I entered the ones I found in the wiki on #SocialHub "Guidelines for new #ActivityPub developers".

     https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/guide-for-new-activitypub-implementers/479#federationmd-25

     PS. Any forum member can update that wiki.

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     django (django@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:49:58 JST django

     • Hrefna (DHC)

     @hrefna an activities section would indeed be a helpful addition to federation.md

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     django (django@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:50:01 JST django

     • Hrefna (DHC)

     @hrefna Wordpress has one as well https://github.com/Automattic/wordpress-activitypub/blob/master/FEDERATION.md

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     django (django@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:50:03 JST django

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     @hrefna this should be documented in federation.md but I don’t think any have yet!

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     small circle 🕊 in calmness (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:57:46 JST small circle 🕊 in calmness

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     @hrefna

     PS. Wrote in a couple of #SocialHub threads on this..

     https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/best-practices-for-ap-vocabulary-extensions/3162

     https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-process-guaranteeing-an-open-and-decentralized-ecosystem/3602/23

     There should be more, but I'm lazy this morning 😬

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     small circle 🕊 in calmness (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:57:47 JST small circle 🕊 in calmness

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     @hrefna

     I guess this discussion boils down to having a best-practice guide on writing ActivityPub extensions.

     If we use linked data, let that be describing LD best-practices. That should likely include how/when to reuse existing props/types from other ontologies.

     And maybe rather *not* use those types/props, but defer to creating your own namespaced extension. Because choosing from existing ontologies would mean either standardization on that, or supporting full LD functionality/complexity.

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     small circle 🕊 in calmness (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:57:48 JST small circle 🕊 in calmness

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     @hrefna

     In many places there's this "This already means this, because Mastodon uses it that way, and we want to be compatible".

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     small circle 🕊 in calmness (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:57:50 JST small circle 🕊 in calmness

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     @hrefna

     But that would lead to horrible designs.. Receive an Offer? Go into huge if/then/else construct to determine from the props what kind of Offer we deal with.

     For this we have namespacing to indicate the bounded context (consistency boundary) in which the activity lends its meaning.

     For ActivityStreams the first project that manages to broadly popularize a particular activity, gets to decide its predominant meaning (in current fedi practice).

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     small circle 🕊 in calmness (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:57:51 JST small circle 🕊 in calmness

     • Hrefna (DHC)

     @hrefna

     On 2) what is also interesting is to consider how suitable AS is as a generic set of social primitives, when the semantics of the activities aren't crystal clear.

     For some activities things are easy, e.g. ones relating to CRUD-over-the-wire. But e.g. an as:Offer much less so.

     I've seen Offer been discussed in very different (bounded) contexts, where semantics/meaning would be fundamentally different. These would have different (custom) props to distinguish them.

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 22:43:54 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Manton Reece
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     @hrefna @help
     A start: https://help.micro.blog/t/mastodon-and-activitypub/95

     cc: @manton