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   ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:26:50 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

   • Joan Westenberg

   @simoto @Daojoan
   Restricting freedom of speech for anyone, even fascist, could lead to authoritarianism and limit individual liberties. If it becomes normal to take away peoples' right to free speech, the fascist, if they come to power, would be able to use those very methods against us. I think it's better to addressing harmful ideologies through dialogue, education, and building alternative, more inclusive communities rather than relying on legal restrictions.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:26:50 JST Aral Balkan

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     @Radical_EgoCom @jpaskaruk @simoto @Daojoan Umm, you do realise that when fascists come into power they don’t respect existing norms and they will do whatever the fuck they want anyway, right?

     Restricting hate speech and calls for violence is not on assault on freedom it’s a defense of its boundaries. Your freedom to speech ends where it encroaches my freedom to live. A tolerant system cannot tolerate intolerance.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:39:50 JST Aral Balkan

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     @jpaskaruk @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan @VeilidNetwork If, say, fascists were to come to power in the US and wanted to compromise Signal, they wouldn’t have to crack the code, just a knee cap or two.

     Voting may not be perfect and the choices may not be perfect but it does matter to those with the least privilege who would be the first in the line of fire.

     So let’s do both.

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     JimmyChezPants (jpaskaruk@growers.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 19:39:52 JST JimmyChezPants

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     @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan

     This system or that system is not what saves us from fascism. At some point we are all going to have be in the streets against them. Cause as you say, they don't respect norms.

     We can pass laws, but we also have Signal, soon we will have @VeilidNetwork as well. You actually *can't* do it so whether you should is moot.

     We don't beat them by becoming them, we beat them with unity and real action. Voting won't save us, they don't respect that either.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:30 JST Jones

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     @aral @Radical_EgoCom @jpaskaruk @simoto @Daojoan
     If i was in the u.s. and biden or another democrat promised they would stop financing and sending weapons to israel and to establish a new, real welfare, and to turn off the ghg polluting industries and to build the sustainable alternatives... i still wouldn't vote, because they already made big promises in electoral campaigns so often, and with less radical programs, and, after the electoral campaign, didn't do what they promised, and did the opposite (except maybe for some internal welfare, but i'm not informed enough on that).
     Biden promised in his electoral campaign he would have stopped giving fossils extraction concessions on federal territories, and then when he got elected, did as much as trump (1/2)

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:49 JST Jones

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     @jpaskaruk @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan
     Something like this: https://bu.noblogs.org/for-an-anarchic-international/ 🙂

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:50 JST Jones

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     @jpaskaruk @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan
     Yes, but i think an international of socialist libertarian revolutions would be the only way to save our species (and many others) from decimation or extinction by the ruling classes and the rich and the military and police élites, be it for the climate problem and-or the wars it's already contributing a lot to spread in the world, just because our masters don't want to renounce their privileges. The greatest evil, for me, is any concentration of power and money and access to material resources.

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     JimmyChezPants (jpaskaruk@growers.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:51 JST JimmyChezPants

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     @jones @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan

     Ah, so you want a revolution. Well you know, we all wanna change the world.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:53 JST Jones

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     @jpaskaruk @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan
     No, i think something like the democratic confederalism of Kurdish people would do.

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     JimmyChezPants (jpaskaruk@growers.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:54 JST JimmyChezPants

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     @jones @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan

     If we're comparing chronological dicks, I have a few more. Shall we return to Feudalism, perhaps? My Scottish ancestors probably would love to return to clan warfare.

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     JimmyChezPants (jpaskaruk@growers.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:55 JST JimmyChezPants

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     @jones @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan

     Sell your cynicism on Threads man.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:55 JST Jones

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     @jpaskaruk @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan

     I'm not the cynic here, please read again this branch of the thread; and i just think the same of any "representative democratic system". It's not cynism, it's 47 years of personal experience, and some historical knowledge.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:56 JST Jones

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     @aral @Radical_EgoCom @jpaskaruk @simoto @Daojoan

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:58:58 JST Jones

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     @aral @Radical_EgoCom @jpaskaruk @simoto @Daojoan
     Also, he removed the clause by which the u.s. could, before, use nuclear bombs only in response to direct attacks to the u.s. territory. I can't trust this shit, and i think no one should. (2/2)

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:59:21 JST Aral Balkan

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     @jones @jpaskaruk @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan Yeah, no argument from me there. Just saying that even delaying it a net positive. Especially for those who would otherwise suffer in the short term.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:59:22 JST Jones

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     @jpaskaruk @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan

     > Umm, you do realise that when fascists come into power they don’t respect existing norms and will do whatever the fuck they want anyway, right?
     > Restricting hate speech and calls for violence is not an assault on freedom; it’s a defense of its boundaries. Your freedom to speech ends where it encroaches my freedom to live. A tolerant system cannot tolerate intolerance.

     I do realise what you wrote in the 1st paragraph, and i totally agree with the second; i'm just sure voting democrats now would only and *perhaps* delay an insurrectional attempt by the "alt-right". And i'm not totally against violence, https://invidious.lunar.icu/watch?v=jf9d3cwVWBY 🙂

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 23:59:23 JST Jones

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     @jpaskaruk @aral @Radical_EgoCom @simoto @Daojoan
     (Though i certainly would better update it)