A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?
Men worried about depopulation because there aren’t enough people, and also opposed to immigration because there’s not enough room for so many people.
Men who want people to have babies, but also opposed to becoming the sort of men anyone should want to have a child with.
Kit Rhett Aultman
@theogrin @JuliusGoat I think it's a pretty surprising thing to see in my family that, of the 4 of us from my generation (myself included), we've produced only 1 child. I'm pretty sure it was just assumed we all would, but we mostly walked away from that project for various reasons.
Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊
There was a certain expectation by my family, who on my father's side is predominantly Catholic, that we would all have children. Exactly one and a half of my siblings have had one (1) child apiece, and the rest of us have opted against it.
This may have been a different matter if they weren't consistently voting Conservative for to ensure that any child we raised would be even less well-off than us.
A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?
Men worried about depopulation, but also opposed to any effort to make a world into which someone would want to bring a child.
Men who worry about replacing old with young, who also blame the younger generations for the state of this world, which their own older generations created.
Kit Rhett Aultman
@theogrin I have a pet speculation that many/most of American (and likely more conservative European) cultural values are basically the emotional flotsam left over from a society that was primarily agrarian and far more spread out. In such a place and time, children were an essential aspect of survival and romanticized into "bloodlines" and such. Now the practical needs are gone, but the myth remains. See also "If you don't work, you shouldn't eat."
Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊
The obligation towards childbearing -- and just the bearing of children, not the social and economic rearing thereof -- as a primary moral virtue is to my mind one of the strangest results of the social structures in which we so often find ourselves. Endless reproduction as a chief moral virtue? That's not how you get a human society, that's how you get a Von Neumann machine, and I'd rather not see us becoming the moral and ethical equivalent of a paperclip maximizer.
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"something they don't want to do": to allow someone, whose success their intentions depend on, to succeed./gen
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